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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/whats_next_for_blue_jays/9088006?new_post=true
The Jays were thwarted in their attempts to trade for right-hander Mat Latos and lefty Gio Gonzalez and obtain the rights to Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish. They still could sign a free agent, but are unlikely to acquire righty Matt Garza from the Cubs, major-league sources say.

Latos and Gonzalez both are under club control for four more years. Garza is under club control for only two more, and the Jays aren’t as willing to give up top prospects for a relatively short-term addition, sources say.

A free agent on a short-term deal would be more desirable, but the Jays do not appear especially interested in righties Hiroki Kuroda and Roy Oswalt. They also are unlikely to pursue righty Edwin Jackson, who reportedly is seeking a five-year, $60 million deal.
 
elaborate.

Well Rosenthal isnt saying we don't like Garza as an arm, he's saying we don't like that he's only under control for 2 years.

We evidently made offers of legit prospects for Gio and Latos, who are both controlled for 4 years.

If we we're willing to dole out the money, then we could just extend Garza, but that does'nt seem to be of interest to them.

Factor in they went after a closer who's contract is more valuable than his talent and i think it clearly looks like they aren't interested in opening up the wallets anytime soon.
 
1) They targeted a closer who's contract is more valuable than his talent
2) They are known to have made real offers for Gio and Latos
3) Garza>Gio in terms of talent
4) The fact that control seems more important then anything else for anyone we are aquiring ( Rasmus, Santos, Yunel) screams to me that we aren't ready to fork over the cash just yet. If we were then paying the price for Garza wouldn't be an issue as we could extend him in 2 years time
5) We haven't actaully spent any money, or signed a real free agent other than Darren Oliver since AA has been here.
6) The quote, spend money when time is right sounds nice but it really could be just lip service, it doesnt necessarily mean anything until ticket sales rise IMO, and to me they arent sure that is going to happen in the 2 years we do control Garza.
7) Why aren't we in on Oswalt, Kiroda or Edwin if we really are looking for a SP?

I should state i think AA is doing a fantastic job of operating a mid-tier budget team that has to be careful with money, the problem is that the perception by many is that it's not the case.
 
you must be one of those people who thinks we are in on Fielder...

Everything i presented is a fact, as opposed to speculation for the most part.
 
I never thought the jays would sign fielder. I'm one of those who made fun of the people who said "fielder or bust"
 
The only way we aquire a SP this offseason IMO, is if there is someone under control thats available that the media and us are unaware of IMO.

Granted with AA thats damn possible...but...i dont see it.

If only Seattle would entertain offers for King, even Pinieda
 
Well Rosenthal isnt saying we don't like Garza as an arm, he's saying we don't like that he's only under control for 2 years.

Actually, Rosenthal said that they don't like the price tag for only two years.....which makes plenty of sense given the reports the Cubs were asking for two, potentially all three, of the Yankees top prospects for Garza.


We evidently made offers of legit prospects for Gio and Latos, who are both controlled for 4 years.

4 > 2


If we we're willing to dole out the money, then we could just extend Garza, but that does'nt seem to be of interest to them.

Being willing to dole out money, and being willing to dole out money and two or three of your top prospects are two incredibly different things.


Factor in they went after a closer who's contract is more valuable than his talent and i think it clearly looks like they aren't interested in opening up the wallets anytime soon.


Santos' contract isn't more valuable than his talent, that's nonsense.....his talent is precisely what makes his contract so insanely valuable.


Getting value > blowing money just to appease a small portion of the fanbase that need to see big contracts handed out to free agents to make them feel warm and fuzzy inside......but are then the first ones calling for a GM's head, when a Burnett loses, or a BJ Ryan blows a save.

Making decisions based on fan reaction, as opposed to what you believe is in the best interest of the team, is the #1 way to become a colossal failure as a GM.
 
Making decisions based on fan reaction, as opposed to what you believe is in the best interest of the team, is the #1 way to become a colossal failure as a GM.

Yup and we already had that with JP when he did go out and spend the money and where did it bring the jays ? Nooo where.

AA has made a plan and stuck with it and unless all these young guys that are up and coming end up being let go because the jays dont wanna spend the money (the opposite has happened actually) then im going to continue calling a spade a spade lol
 
There is a middle ground between not wanted to give out stupid contracts, and being scared to spend. For example, going after a guy like Oswalt on a one year deal (which is what he wants) would be pretty much risk free with the potential for a high reward. And all it would cost is money. There are ways to spend money to fill holes that don't hurt your team long term. No one is saying go out and spend big money, and long term deals on second tier talents like Burnett and Ryan.

It doesn't have to be spend big money or don't spend at all. You can spend smartly.
 
There is a middle ground between not wanted to give out stupid contracts, and being scared to spend. For example, going after a guy like Oswalt on a one year deal (which is what he wants) would be pretty much risk free with the potential for a high reward. And all it would cost is money. There are ways to spend money to fill holes that don't hurt your team long term. No one is saying go out and spend big money, and long term deals on second tier talents like Burnett and Ryan.

It doesn't have to be spend big money or don't spend at all. You can spend smartly.


Oswalt for 1/14 and a team option would be a brilliant move.

I can absoulteyl understand avoiding Edwin though
 
There is a middle ground between not wanted to give out stupid contracts, and being scared to spend. For example, going after a guy like Oswalt on a one year deal (which is what he wants) would be pretty much risk free with the potential for a high reward. And all it would cost is money. There are ways to spend money to fill holes that don't hurt your team long term. No one is saying go out and spend big money, and long term deals on second tier talents like Burnett and Ryan.

It doesn't have to be spend big money or don't spend at all. You can spend smartly.

Just one problem there with your theory. Oswalt doesnt want a one year deal.
** nm i was reading into the wrong player lollll

but lots of jays fans have gone on to say they need to spend big money (aka go read scout forums)
 
There is a middle ground between not wanted to give out stupid contracts, and being scared to spend. For example, going after a guy like Oswalt on a one year deal (which is what he wants) would be pretty much risk free with the potential for a high reward. And all it would cost is money. There are ways to spend money to fill holes that don't hurt your team long term. No one is saying go out and spend big money, and long term deals on second tier talents like Burnett and Ryan.

It doesn't have to be spend big money or don't spend at all. You can spend smartly.


The team isn't interested in spending big chunks of cash, for marginal one year upgrades.....nor should they be. That money is better served being saved for when such a signing could put us over the top.

An Oswalt signing now isn't going to have any positive impact on this team, when we're looking to contend in a year or two....and it would go against what AA has specified his plan is.
 
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