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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

You 2 say that as if you have any clue to what goes on behind closed doors.

I don't buy that at all...if anything other GM's arent being wary, they're just asking for a lot in return in trades because they know the Jays got a lot of quality prospects to give.
 
I don't think AA's track record is so impressive that it scares other GMs. The last big deal he "won" the other team ended up winning the world series.
 
Fitzgerald#11 said:
good stuff on the EE deal - http://mlb.si.com/2012/07/12/with-e...tting-on-bautista-2-0/?sct=hp_wr_a3&eref=sihp
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an even more interesting analysis:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/blue-jays-bet-on-edwin-encarnacions-power/

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look at where Encarnacion’s hands end up. In the 2011 swing, the hands would come apart and result in a sort of “helicopter” backswing. Now, Encarnacion keeps both hands on the bat throughout the swing. The result is a shorter, quicker swing that gives significantly more power, specifically on outside pitches (in this case, resulting in a home run to center in the cavernous Oakland Coliseum). As ESPN’s David Schoenfield pointed out, the biggest difference for Encarnacion this season has been his ability to hit the outside pitch for power, and this is where many of those center field home runs come from.
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and when I think about it, I realize that yup, I haven't seen that awkward hands-falling-apart follow-through from EE this year that I've always seen before.
 
zeke said:
I don't think AA's track record is so impressive that it scares other GMs. The last big deal he "won" the other team ended up winning the world series.
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Every GM thinks they are as good as the next guy. They're not thinking "AA is the LeBron of GMs and I'm just Jose Calderon".
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
While I would love to see the post-season this year, I've got this funny feeling that next year, with a healthy (we hope) BP and another winter of dealing, the Jays will be in it next year.
Just listening to the way scouts talk about D'Arnaud and Gose gets me giddy. One guy said that with Gose, the best comparison he could make for Jays fans was Devon White.
Nothing wrong with that.
...but that's nothing compared to the praise our catcher of the future receives. I almost have to pinch myself; part of the Leaf-fan syndrome I guess.
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For the Jays to be a top contender the starting pitching must be addressed now, or in the off-season.

Also, D'Arnaud and Gose will be raw rookies next year. Pinning rookies as the guys to put us over the top is likely a mistake.

I don't really like White vs. Gose comparison (if that even exists). Sure White was awesome defensively, but his career OPS was .739 - With the emergence and hopeful long-time signing of Rasmus, we will need more than a .739OPS and .319OBP from our future LF'er.

I guess you could move Rasmus to LF, but the .739ops in centre is basically what Davis would provide.

Anyways, I don't like the White vs. Gose comparison.
 
Gose may never be as good as Devon White ended up being, but he's a better prospect with more upside than White ever was.

Gose' upside is of the McCutcheon / Ellsbury type.
 
Yup. Even during White's best seasons in Toronto he was a thoroughly average hitter.

From 1991-95 as a Blue Jay he recorded the following OPS+'s: 116, 90, 108, 96, 99 (average of 101.8).

The very definition of average at the plate.

In the field though White was a maestro, with total zone fielding runs above average (Rtot) savings of 18, 32, 18, 8, and -5 (he had a tough season in 1995 by his standards): +71 runs saved with his defence.

The works out to 14.2 wins generated by virtue of his defensive performance alone, which is exceptional.

If Gose ends up being as good as White was overall, let alone at the plate (where an average-hitting, plus-fielding centre fielder is a prime asset), the Jays will have a ton of flexibility in their line-up moving forward, and three all-star calibre outfield talents.
 
jonmorosi

#Twins have two scouts watching #BlueJays prospect-laden Lansing affiliate. Liriano and Capps are fits for Toronto. @MLBONFOX
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Yup. Even during White's best seasons in Toronto he was a thoroughly average hitter.

From 1991-95 as a Blue Jay he recorded the following OPS+'s: 116, 90, 108, 96, 99 (average of 101.8).

The very definition of average at the plate.

In the field though White was a maestro, with total zone fielding runs above average (Rtot) savings of 18, 32, 18, 8, and -5 (he had a tough season in 1995 by his standards): +71 runs saved with his defence.

The works out to 14.2 wins generated by virtue of his defensive performance alone, which is exceptional.

If Gose ends up being as good as White was overall, let alone at the plate (where an average-hitting, plus-fielding centre fielder is a prime asset), the Jays will have a ton of flexibility in their line-up moving forward, and three all-star calibre outfield talents.
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Marisnick is projected to be a better hitter than Gose.

Gose should be dangled for pitching now.

Now and next year: Snider/Rasmus/Bautista
2 or 3 years down the road Snider/Rasmus/Marisnick ---- Bautista at 1B

Gose turned into a front line starter:

Stud
Morrow
Romero
Alevarez
Drabek

Equals World Series in 2015
 
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm very excited about the second half of the season. Even if they don't make the playoffs I'll be very keen on seeing how they all do during the second half. In particular ... Edwin, Romero, Morrow, Alvarez (who seems to be bouncing back nicely) and *praying to vishnu* McGowan. Also very keen on seeing guys like Snider, Gose and Stroman come up in September.

Let's go Blue Jays!
 
Making fun of all the Rasmus shirts I saw at Union Station after he's been playing well, didn't see very many when he was struggling early in the season.
 
Oh ok.

I was going to say, I think we all agreed when the trade was made that it was a good trade and could not believe the Cardinals would do it. But I understand.
 
What a shame to see them come up empty on a solid rebound performance from Ricky and more great work from Oliver (can't say enough about this guy) and Jansen. Not often the Jays get shut down. Write it off to some rust. Great to see Romero pitch as well as he did in this one.
 
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