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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

It's annoying because Rogers has billions at their disposal. Who cares about paying a few additional million above market value? Darvish and his 16 wins, 120 ERA+, and 200+ strikeouts would have looked mighty attractive at the top of our rotation this season.
 
No risk, no gain.

Bothers be to no end how we always talk about getting topprospects and end up with nothing.
 
Not getting Darvish was a horrible mistake. He was a star pitcher who had to go to the Jays if they made the highest bid. With free agents, many won't join the Jays even if the offer is great. It was a rare opportunity for the Jays. Not to mention, there would have been a lot of extra revenue from Japan if they signed Darvish.
 
HOw is Delmon Young so fat? Like damn.

Wasn't this guy the pride and joy prospect of the Rays organization way back when?
 
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It's annoying because Rogers has billions at their disposal. Who cares about paying a few additional million above market value? Darvish and his 16 wins, 120 ERA+, and 200+ strikeouts would have looked mighty attractive at the top of our rotation this season.
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The issue of a massive corporation owning a sports team is that it's publicly traded. Every dollar must be accounted for. Often it becomes difficult to spend in these situations because of lack of certainty.
 
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Heyman: Jays are suggesting they won't let Farrell go to Boston, but they should

Blue Jays people are still suggesting to reporters and baseball people behind the scenes that they have no intention of letting their manager, John Farrell, go to the rival Red Sox.

That's a fine stance to take. But it only makes sense if they absolutely love Farrell as their own manager long-term, and there seems to be some question as to whether they do.

The Blue Jays made it policy last year when the Red Sox came calling for Farrell that they don't allow their employees to move for lateral jobs. Actually, that very policy came about precisely over Boston's original interest in Farrell.

"Everyone knows our policies,'' Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos texted a few days ago in response to the question about whether they might grant permission this time for Boston to talk to Farrell.

Other Jays people are saying flat-out they won't let Farrell leave. They aren't necessarily saying they love the job Farrell is doing, mind you. But they are suggesting they aren't about to let him go to Boston.

If that's so, the question then becomes: Why the heck not?

Anthopoulos is correct that their policy is well-known by now. But exceptions sometimes should be made.

This is one of those times.

Boston's Farrell fixation feels like more an opportunity than an annoyance. Boston is once again said to have Farrell at the top of their managerial wish list, no matter that Toronto finished only three games ahead. The Blue Jays went 73-89 this year, four games ahead of the last-place Red Sox.

What's more, word is getting around that the Jays front office is less than completely enamored with Farrell. And vice versa.

"They should absolutely make the deal,'' one competing GM opined about Farrell to Boston. "I think they will.''

Sirius/XM broadcaster Jim Duquette reported that he'd heard there was a "disconnect'' between Farrell and his front office, and while Farrell denied that, as he absolutely had to, several people around baseball suggest things are less than perfect in that relationship. But if things were perfect between a manager and front office at a time a team so starkly underachieves, that would mark one of the first times in baseball history.

(It's possible things are more copacetic than you hear in Toronto, but of course, it isn't worth asking: there's no way any Jays person could ever publicly admit there's any sort of issue, especially if there's any hope of obtaining a haul from Boston.)

Perhaps the Jays are simply starting the negotiation with their current stance that Farrell is staying put. And perhaps they'll loosen that policy.

In any case, between the Farrell contract that only has one year to go on it, the Blue Jays' disappointing season and the Red Sox's odd fixation on Farrell, the Blue Jays owe it to themselves to listen to any trade offer Boston might make for Farrell. To stick to the policy and not at least listen to offers would be tantamount to refusing a free gift.

Farrell may not be long for the Jays, anyway. He'll go into 2013 as a lame duck provided that they don't extend him, and why extend someone you're supposedly not thrilled with?

Maybe the Jays do wind up extending Farrell if they believe Boston's assessment. But if you don't think he's great, why not simply saddle the rival Red Sox with him, and receive some compensation in the form of players for him for your trouble?

It's been reported the Jays would have wanted young pitcher Clay Buchholz for Farrell last winter. And one Red Sox person has said he isn't even sure that would have gotten it done.

But if things haven't changed for Toronto after its poor season, maybe they should. If the Red Sox are desperate, the Jays absolutely need to listen.

The compensation may wind up being pretty good, too. After their protracted, conflicted managerial search last year, Red Sox GM Ben Cherington, who it said will make the call this time, still won't want to take a candidate to Boston's ownership that they may very well reject. Cherington knows Boston's owners love Farrell as much as he does.

Boston's leading triumvirate of John Henry, Tom Werner and Larry Lucchino last year rebuffed former Red Sox coach Dale Sveum, who wound up being hired in Chicago by ex-Red Sox execs Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer. Cherington probably doesn't want to have a repeat rejection.

The Red Sox are also said to have a desire to hire one of their own after their big-name outside hire Bobby Valentine didn't work to their liking. Red Sox people, and that means both the front office and ownership, recall Farrell as a very smart guy who aided their young pitchers and has a presence about him.

But if reports are true that the Jays aren't quite as high on him at the moment, they ought to let him go. Or at least listen to what Boston has to say.
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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/j...wont-let-farrell-go-to-boston-but-they-should
 
You have to think that AA will listen to Boston. It would be weird if he didn't. I like to think that AA hasn't regressed as a GM to the point of being completely stupid.
 
I've never really been that high on Buchholz. Sure he could finally get it all figured out, but I stand by what I said earlier, if the Jays still believe that Farrell is the guy, then **** the Red Sox. If they don't, then by all means try and get a great return for him. If Boston wants to talk Dustin Pedroia for John Farrell and Yunel Escobar, I'm in. Otherwise I don't think it's a slam dunk, even if they decide to offer up Buchholz.
 
not dealing him to Boston just because you dont want Boston to have him is not a reason to keep him.

Having him as a lame duck next year is not good in any way.

The White Sox got the 4th and 5th best prospects from the Marlins for Ozzie Guillen and he won a World Series.

I'd be pleased with a return somewhere near that.
 
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In the end, it really doesn't matter whether the Toronto Blue Jays want to let John Farrell go to the Red Sox or how much the Sox want Farrell to return to Boston.

It's about what Farrell wants to do.

If Farrell tells Toronto general manager Alex Anthopoulos he wants to manage the Red Sox, what choice do the Blue Jays have but to make a deal? Being a major league manager is a job that demands all of your loyalty and focus. No team wants a manager who would rather be doing something else.

If Farrell makes that decision, it becomes a matter of compensation at that point.

The Red Sox would send some prospects Toronto's way and that is that. It would probably be two players like LHP Drake Britton and OF Keury De La Cruz. Those are two of the organization's top 20 prospects, a fair return on a manager with a losing record and one year left on his deal.
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I don't blame a homer like you for going off the grid for a while. Would be hard to coverse about this shit-show of a season.

Anyways, managers are a dime a dozen. If a team is willing to give up something like Buchholz you clearly go for it.
 
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