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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

So if a pitcher leads the league in innings, era, and strikeouts, but plays for a terrible team that gives him no run support, and ends up with a record of 5-20, will he win the cy young?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
So if a pitcher leads the league in innings, era, and strikeouts, but plays for a terrible team that gives him no run support, and ends up with a record of 5-20, will he win the cy young?
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10+ years ago, no. More recently, maybe. Many voters now take a look at a variety of factors. Innings pitched, strikeouts and ERA/WHIP are old-school stats that are still valuable, so they are considered. And there are definitely some voters who still only look at stuff like this, plus something like WAR. Innings pitched may actually have more value than it used to, because so few guys provide 180+ anymore. If you pitch a lot of innings, chances are you have top of the list strikeout totals.

Others will look at WAR, xERA, SIERA, FIP/xFIP, and a variety of other stats, plus stuff metrics.

Win-Loss isn't much of a factor anymore even for the neanderthal voter, the guys no longer pitch long enough into games for it to mean anything. I would say it's probably a minor variable for a chunk of the voters. But ultimately if a guy is clearly best across the board in many of the stats mentioned here, it's extremely unlikely they'd end up 5-20.

Jacob deGrom won the NL Cy Young in 2018 with a 10-9 record, and again in 2019 at 11-8. Felix Hernandez in 2010 was 13-12.
 
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nice out of town board tonight.

Jays up 4.0gms in the East.

Jays up 1.5gms in the AL.

Jays in 2nd back 4.5gms in MLB.
 
I agree starter wins are less significant than before, but you’re still going to need a winning record. If Gausman was tops in most categories, but 9-10, he’s not winning any award.
 
Jays tie up the Dodgers for 3rd best runs per game in MLB.

Next up is the Brewers in 2nd - they've scored 11 more runs but played one more game.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I agree starter wins are less significant than before, but you’re still going to need a winning record. If Gausman was tops in most categories, but 9-10, he’s not winning any award.
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I mean he's not in Cy contention anyways, but not because of w/l record.
 
if a guy won the cy young in 2010 with a 13-12 record, a guy can absolutely 100% win the cy young with a 12-13 record in 2025.
 
axlsalinger said:
if a guy won the cy young in 2010 with a 13-12 record, a guy can absolutely 100% win the cy young with a 12-13 record in 2025.
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That’s pathetic if it ever happens.

Wins still have to count for something. Unless 12 wins is at or close to the top of the heap that year.
 
Goalie wins don't tell us much either. But at least the goalie played the whole game. You're saying you'd still give goalie wins the same importance even if we reached a point where they usually only play the first 30-40 minutes of the game?
 
Someone still has to get the win. The best ones should still find a way to get the most, usually. Yeah some guys with more wins will be the beneficiaries of run support, and some guys with less will be the victims of less support, but that’s the case every year. There’s still something to be said for guys who can gut out a couple more outs and battle to qualify for the win. Regardless, wins still matter and aren’t totally irrelevant as Zeke is claiming.
 
Look, I still have a soft spot for the win, since it's still used in many fantasy leagues. But trust me, it's no longer relevant as a way to evaluate anything. I am willing to say it's not "completely useless", if you will join us in agreeing that it's "mostly useless".
 
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