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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

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Just not sure what people think John Farrell should have been doing with that lineup. As we all know, the pitching staff was decimated by injuries. The one guy who was healthy, and was our ace, sucked ass most of the year. On offence, he was forced to start vets who couldn't hit the baseball for much of the year like Rasmus, Kelly Johnson, Lind, etc. Lawrie, JP and Jose missed significant portions of time. He was given Gose and Hech who also couldn't hit. The future remains bright for those guys, but from a 2012 perspective they were not ready for prime time. I mean, what would you have done that Farrell didn't? Play Omar Vizquel every day?

Now, I am a big proponent of character players and team chemistry, and what happened down the stretch is very concerning. But when you look for specifics, he could have cracked down on Lawrie's baserunning and made sure he walked up to Yunel Escobar every day with a Spanish dictionary to translate what this imbecile was writing on his eye-black. Taking the rumours into consideration it's a real concern, but without more information I am not ready to conclude that he should be let go because of this.
 
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Injuries have been a problem this year, no question. But that excuse only goes so far IMO. it's being used by some to sweep this season under the rug without facing some pretty large problems.
 
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peopel are making this sound like an unmitigated disaster. like ME said... jose, morrow and santos = ~10 WAR. maybe 11 or 12.

another 11 or 12 wins and this is an 80-85 win teams.

a .500 record down the stretch and perhaps they make the deal for greinke instead of the angels.

the season is disappointing and there has to be some accountability for the fact that a whole whack of players were just awful for most of the season.

but people need to maintain perspective. the jays simply cannot sustain long term injuries to their best bat, best starter and best reliever and expect to stay in contention.
 
msun30 said:
peopel are making this sound like an unmitigated disaster. like ME said... jose, morrow and santos = ~10 WAR. maybe 11 or 12.

another 11 or 12 wins and this is an 80-85 win teams.

a .500 record down the stretch and perhaps they make the deal for greinke instead of the angels.

the season is disappointing and there has to be some accountability for the fact that a whole whack of players were just awful for most of the season.

but people need to maintain perspective. the jays simply cannot sustain long term injuries to their best bat, best starter and best reliever and expect to stay in contention.
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That's a little to gracious, IMO.

NYY: Pineda, Rivera, Gardner, Chamberlain
BAL: Markakis, Hammel. (Reimold, Roberts)
BOS: Ortiz, Ellsbury, Bailey, Middlebrooks
TBR: Longoria, Niemann, Farnsworth
 
zeke said:
That's a little to gracious, IMO.

NYY: Pineda, Rivera, Gardner, Chamberlain
BAL: Markakis, Hammel. (Reimold, Roberts)
BOS: Ortiz, Ellsbury, Bailey, Middlebrooks
TBR: Longoria, Niemann, Farnsworth
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the only comparable tere is boston. and they're behind toronto.

though with new york yo ucould say rivera/cc/a-rod

but then they spend $200mn per year.

niemann and farnsowrth, markakis and hammel aren't REMOTELY comparable.
 
not the awards you want to win...

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8450155/mike-trout-buster-posey-rest-2012-award-winners-mlb
AL LVP (LEAST VALUBLE PLAYER): Yunel Escobar

It's now 27 months since the Blue Jays made the Braves' day by trading for the talented but troubled Yunel Escobar. Well, it seemed like a brilliant idea at the time. In fact, it even seemed like a brilliant idea as recently as 12 months ago, after Escobar had finished hitting .290 with a .782 OPS and the best on-base percentage (.369) of any shortstop in the whole darned American League. But that was last year. This year? Yikes.

Guess who has had the worst OPS (.644) of any qualifying AL shortstop? Right you are. Yunel Escobar. And guess who has had the fewest extra-base hits (32) and created the fewest runs in that group? Yep, same guy. But this is one LVP candidacy that's bigger and uglier than any numbers. Ask the people around this club who grumble that "Yunel Escobar finds a way to do something stupid every game." Ask the scouts who use words such as "disgusting" to describe his daily lack of focus and commitment. Ask the baseball man who says: "I think he actually enjoys ticking people off with the things he does. He knows he ticks them off, and he does it anyway." Or ask all the people he offended when he etched a homophobic slur into his eye black -- and then acted as if he hadn't done anything particularly offensive. So what we have here is a guy who has hit the LVP daily double: He's been a lousy baseball player -- and a worse act.


AL CY YUK: Ricky Romero

A year ago this time, if you could have bought stock in one young left-handed starter in the entire American League, there's a good chance you'd have invested in Ricky Romero, Inc. And what if you had? Ummmm, you'd be wishing about now that you'd bought Facebook. That's what.

Because a funny thing happened to Romero this year on his way to acehood: The league figured him out. It doesn't do much good to have one of the great changeups on earth if you never get ahead with any of your other stuff. And that's been the story of Romero's shockingly disastrous season. He owns the worst walk-to-strikeout ratio (105 walks, 124 whiffs) of any qualifying starter in baseball. (In fact, it's the third-worst ratio in the past 15 seasons among AL starters with 100 or more strikeouts.) He also owns the highest ERA (5.77) and WHIP (1.67) of any qualifying starter in baseball. And that wouldn't be good no matter what the heck was happening around him. But in Romero's case, what was happening was that about 46 other Blue Jays pitchers were heading for the disabled list.

And just when they needed him most, to keep the season from capsizing, he managed to go 15 consecutive starts without a win -- and couldn't even claim bad luck, considering he went 0-13 with a 7.42 ERA and .898 opponent OPS in that stretch. He lost 13 times in 14 trips to the mound at one point. And you want to know how tough that is? Only one other AL starter in the 52-season expansion era has ever done that (Mike Parrott, of the 1980 Mariners). So it ain't easy. With this guy's ability, he could easily get himself back on the CNBC "Buy" list by next year this time. And who knows? Maybe, after he wins his first Cy Young, he'll even attribute it to everything he learned from this horrifying outbreak of Cy Yukkiness.
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he's 30 years old with a career 4.78 era and has never pitched more than 30 starts or 177 ip in a season.

i don't know why you guys think that losing morrow for a chunk, bautista for half a season and santos for the entire season is comparable to the o's losing a few second tier pieces ,or the rays losing a mediocre reliever and #5 starter for a long chunk.
 
The Sox and Jays lost more to injury than the other guys, but arguing that "Morrow/Bautista/santos = 85 win team" seems too generous to me.

Baltimore was the healthiest, but even they lost probably their best hitter and best starting pitcher for half the season.
 
an opposing .898 OPS over a 15 start stretch??? That is beyond absurd.
 
msun30 said:
peopel are making this sound like an unmitigated disaster. like ME said... jose, morrow and santos = ~10 WAR. maybe 11 or 12.

another 11 or 12 wins and this is an 80-85 win teams.

a .500 record down the stretch and perhaps they make the deal for greinke instead of the angels.

the season is disappointing and there has to be some accountability for the fact that a whole whack of players were just awful for most of the season.

but people need to maintain perspective. the jays simply cannot sustain long term injuries to their best bat, best starter and best reliever and expect to stay in contention.
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Wait a second? Santos was our best pen arm? Who knew.
 
It's not just losing 3 good players te jays lost everyone. Their lineup was completely decimated. Up until that point they were competitive, even with some of the bigger injuries.
 
CaptainBolduke101 said:
Wait a second? Santos was our best pen arm? Who knew.
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He would have been if he was healthy...which would have pushed Janssen into splitting the 8th inning role with Oliver and had a cascade effect down through the bullpen, basically pushing whatever shit we had from AAA that was getting killed regularly, out of the pen entirely.
 
Janssen is a better pitcher than Santos.


Career as reliever:

C.Janssen: 276.1ip, 2.83era, 3.38fip, 3.55xfip
D.Oliver: 495.0ip, 2.98era, 3.52fip, 3.81xfip
A.Loup: 29.2ip, 2.73era, 1.96fip, 3.20xfip
B.Lincoln: 72.0ip, 3.38era, 3.54fip, 3.17xfip
S.Santos: 120.0ip, 3.53era, 3.12fip, 3.28xfip
S.Delabar: 72.0ip, 3.63era, 4.19fip, 3.21xfip
F.Cordero: 824.2ip, 3.38era, 3.63fip, 3.78xfip
C.Villanueva: 342.1ip, 3.76era, 4.01fip, 3.84xfip
J.Frasor: 522.1ip, 3.77era, 3.80fip, 3.97xfip
B.Lyon: 529.2ip, 3.84era, 3.87fip, 4.31xfip
L.Perez: 88.1ip, 3.87era, 3.98fip, 3.74xfip
 
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