OT: The Toronto Blue Jays
- Thread starter PlayerToBeNamedLater
- Start date
axlsalinger
Well-known member
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
His name is awesome.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Yup. Not enough AB to qualify, but 4th if did. His EV50 (average of the best 50% of his contact) is 7th (Vladdy 5th). His % of 95+ MPH exit velos is 13th....
He's beating the shit out of the baseball this year, fucking lovely. This is the type of thing that helps turn a lineup around and take it from meh to good.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
I mean...if Santander comes back healthy and starts bashing, and Barger continues looking legitimately good (nothing in his profile screams fluke or crazy heater right now...), you're looking at a lineup that might legitimately be good enough to carry a rotation with no depth until the deadline.
SP is always available at the deadline. Good sticks at your position of need often aren't.
SP is always available at the deadline. Good sticks at your position of need often aren't.
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
Bowden Francis is the worst statistical SP in baseball
Exactly need some yutes to provide quality at bats
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
Wayward DP
Well-known member
isn't he widely known for a terrible zone? you'd think something would be done lol
manny
Well-known member
This was too obvious from the beginning of the season. Their plan was for perfect health from Scherzer, no regression from Francis, and guys like Bloss and Manoah being healthy and capable of pitching at the MLB level.
I’m not a fan of trading for SP at the deadline because they’re always in high demand. Especially now with expanded playoffs where you might have only a handful of teams truly out of it and selling (e.g. last year on July 20, only 7 teams were more than 5 games back of the wild card. Yeah, the Jays were one of them). You also need futures to make those trades and Toronto’s system is thin enough.
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
Granted i dont understand how the Rockies operate and never will, but German MArquez is expensive and expiring and has been okay over his last 5 starts or so. I imagine you can get him today ( granted i do not understand the Rockies)
Francis is unplyable and Turnbull might not be ready as quick as they would like. Max may never throw an MLB pitch for us
Francis is unplyable and Turnbull might not be ready as quick as they would like. Max may never throw an MLB pitch for us
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
The only FA SP i think you can make the case for regretting not pursuing would be Nick Pivetta
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
You don't think normal Santander is a significant upgrade over what has played LF or DH most of the season so far? I don't pay attention to every starting lineup, but haven't Schneider, Roden, and Straw played a fairly solid chunk of our LF so far?
You can buy a fair amount of pitching for the abortion that is spending 25 million on a Hoffman-Yariel-Green bullpen, or the 17 millie on Gimenez + Straw. It's cool if your system can't provide a plethora of 30+ HR 120-130 wRC+ sticks. It's not cool if your system can't produce utility gloves and functioning bullpen arms, so you're going out and spending 42 million on it instead.
UWHabs
Well-known member
I guess for Santander it depends if you compare "normal production" Santander to what we have gotten from guys so far, or what you expect to get from guys. Guys like Straw and Lukes have performed above expectations, but even with that, if you combine them with the Roden and Schneider PAs, are still well below what you expect from Santander (2-3 WAR).
For the rest of the guys, I guess we just pray for regression. I mean even Hoffman, he's running a 5.81 ERA, but his FIP is 3.94, so you should expect some natural improvement. And he's even better in xERA/xFIP values. Gimenez shouldn't continue to run a .214 BABIP, if he regresses to his projections that looks a lot better.
The replacement bats have actually done well this year. Clement, Lukes, Heineman, Straw, etc.. have actually done decent. Sure, you have a couple flops in Wagner, Roden, and Schneider. But the team does desperately need to figure out how to bring in cheap fungible RP. More Liddle and Fluharty, and less Green and Lucas.
UWHabs
Well-known member
Francis was always a little bit expected to regress, but the hope was that he would regress to being like a 5th starter. If the team had any depth, he'd be filling a minor league rotation spot right now. But between him sucking, Scherzer lasting 3 innings on the team, and yeah, even the next level of depth like Bloss getting hurt, there's just nothing left to fill out. Modern MLB you can almost create a phantom 5th starter by rotating through random bullpen arms, but you can only do that to fill one spot. When you have to both fill a 5th starter spot, plus need 5+ innings every Bowden Francis start because you have to yank him in the 4th inning, that's not at all sustainable.
zeke
Well-known member
Corner OF this year:
Springer 217pa, 141wrc+
Barger 136pa, 137wrc+
Lukes 127pa, 127wrc+
Schneider 28pa, 124wrc+
Clase 50pa,102wrc+
Straw 109pa, 93wrc+
Santander 209pa, 66wrc+
Roden 85pa, 50wrc+
Projected Rest of Season:
Santander 115wrc+
Lukes 113
Springer 112
Barger 109
Roden 108
Schneider 108
Clase 89
Straw 79
zeke
Well-known member
Santander looks like maybe a marginal offensive upgrade, and likely significant defensive downgrade at the same time. We have a bunch of interesting candidates that are and could give us similar or better value tbh. Hopefully he goes on a power tear when the weather heats up, because that;'s his only tool.
The bullpen is actually good, so I don't mind what they've done there at all. Hoffman has a weird HR problem this year but he's never had that before and everything else looks very good. And the rest of the bullpen has been very solid, even with a bunch of injuries.
The Rotation was always the worry spot for me. 3 reliable but no longer spectacular guys. Francis was very likely turning back into pumpkin this year, Bloss was unlikely to be a good MLBer yet. Scherzer was a solid gamble, but can't be shocked that he's given us nothing so far. And even if was pitching solidly and healthily for us, we were still going to be a rotation that lacked both a legit #1SP and lacked SP depth, which isn't a good combo.
The bullpen is actually good, so I don't mind what they've done there at all. Hoffman has a weird HR problem this year but he's never had that before and everything else looks very good. And the rest of the bullpen has been very solid, even with a bunch of injuries.
The Rotation was always the worry spot for me. 3 reliable but no longer spectacular guys. Francis was very likely turning back into pumpkin this year, Bloss was unlikely to be a good MLBer yet. Scherzer was a solid gamble, but can't be shocked that he's given us nothing so far. And even if was pitching solidly and healthily for us, we were still going to be a rotation that lacked both a legit #1SP and lacked SP depth, which isn't a good combo.