OT: World Politics
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lecoqsportif
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lecoqsportif
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That’s likely staged, like their elections, to create an illusion of credibility.
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If it didn't work against the Russians at Stalingrad, why do the Russians think it will work against the Ukrainians in Kyiv?
LeafGm
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Ever since aerial combat first became a thing, there have always been war hawks that have fiercely defended the notion that you can win wars by terror bombing civilian population centers into oblivion.
To this day, it’s still never worked. And if anything, usually has the opposite effect of hardening the victimized population’s support for continued resistance.
Really though, the main appeal of this strategy to Solovyov and the Russian public is that they have an overwhelming, visceral need to punish and hurt Ukrainians for rejecting Russia. And since they can no longer do it with battlefield success, these aerial temper tantrums are all that’s left to them.
LeafGm
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That’s debatable.
The conventional fire-bombing of Tokyo caused more damage and deaths than either the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bombs. And it was just one of many Japanese cities that were effectively wiped out by conventional bombing.
Yet that didn’t move the needle on Japan’s willingness to surrender.
You could argue that what did finally give them the final push was the Soviet declaration of war on Japan and invasion of Japanese-held territories a few months following the end of the war in Europe.
At that point they already knew they were defeated and were just looking for the most favourable terms. And America’s private assurance that they would remain an independent country and be allowed to keep their emperor seemed a far more palatable option than Soviet conquest. And blaming the surrender on a new doomsday weapon that only one country in the world possessed allowed them to save some face.
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Eh, the Japanese surrendered more because Russia declared war on them than because their two cities got esssploded.
Just like the Russians don't like to talk about lend-lease largely being the reason they beat the Nazi's, the Americans don't like to talk about the Japanese capitulating largely because the Russians joined the pacific war.
Just like the Russians don't like to talk about lend-lease largely being the reason they beat the Nazi's, the Americans don't like to talk about the Japanese capitulating largely because the Russians joined the pacific war.
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Would be pretty damn sweet if this plant could change hands without a pitched battling taking place in and around the facility.
Though considering it’s on the other side of the Dnipro river from current Ukrainian-held territory and only 100+ Km away from Melitopol, I can’t see how Russia surrenders the plant without also giving up on holding their land bridge to Crimea.