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OT: World Politics

MindzEye said:
Accurate:

www.politico.eu

Leader of Israel’s Labor: Something is ‘very wrong’ on the global left

Merav Michaeli calls out fellow supposed progressives in leftist parties worldwide for being ‘complicit’ in Hamas’ crimes.
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yup. strongly agree. and it's honestly terrifying the tenor of various campus discussions and conversations on the issue.

and makes me fear what happens when this generation grabs hold of power in the world's current leading democracies...
 
lecoqsportif said:
It’s amazing pretzel logic to watch anti-colonial human right advocates align with Russia, China and violent, fundamentalist religious extremists.
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Somewhere along the way they got mind fucked into believing that only white europeans are capable of colonialism, state sanctioned violence, etc.

Everyone else is the oppressed, so their violence is excused.
 
I get the discomfort when Euroweenies are presented evidence of hunting and country food as core aspects of traditional life.

But I’ve never heard of the colonizers gibberish, unless we’re talking about the ice bridge from Siberia or the plight of the Neanderthals (some of whom may have survived, if we are to account for Bruins fans.)
 
lecoqsportif said:
I get the discomfort when Euroweenies are presented evidence of hunting and country food as core aspects of traditional life.

But I’ve never heard of the colonizers gibberish, unless we’re talking about the ice bridge from Siberia or the plight of the Neanderthals (some of whom may have survived, if we are to account for Bruins fans.)
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I think to understand the "new" Left, you have to understand the new definition of Racism from CARED (Calgary Anti-Racism Education). I would suggest reading the whole website to understand their thought process (I had to sit through an Anti-Racist seminar for work, and I have some thoughts about it that undercut their messaging, basically they don't like Multiculturalism).

Racism — Alberta Civil Liberties Research Centre

www.aclrc.com www.aclrc.com

Overall, the key to understanding racism is its relationship to power. As we’ve already covered in the previous sections, everyone is racialized, including white people. White people may even experience racial prejudice. However, racism cannot be experienced by white individuals because of the power factor. Although other factors can certainly play into this equation (like gender, class, occupation, education, sexual orientation, ability etc.), it remains that white individuals (as well as those who “pass” as white) continue to receive unearned privileges that that they experience on a daily basis (often unconsciously) because they are not subjected to racism.
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So basically only White People can be Racist. They even give a term for everyone else: "racial prejudice". A term not as loaded as Racist or Racism, a term that suggests it is just prejudice, so they can change, while White People cannot.

The key metaphor is water (racism) in the fish tank of society.

A little history to understand where they are coming from. In modern history, White European Societies have been the dominate Culture throughout the World. Permeating itself in every dark corner of ALL societies. Through Media, in-groups, representation, everything. And People internalize it, "Whiter" black people are treated better by cops, Whiter Indians (from India) are thought of as more beautiful, Chinese People want to make themselves whiter (I think it is to do with class, tan vs not tan, office works don't get tanned as much as outdoor manual labour).

You can see these products on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/skin-lightening-cream/s?k=skin+lightening+cream

And from Centuries of War and Fighting, their technology advanced much more thoroughly than other societies making it easier to conquer and rule - they don't say this part, just me editorializing .

And since this culture is White centric, it promotes White People above all else. Sets up systems that promote and lift up White People. Or just help the people of the Ruling Parties Countries.

So since these Colonial European Countries conquered and ruled land that was not indigenous to them, they thought they are superior and of better Race/System/Governance/Culture than the "Savages". Think Eugenics. So this theory/term of Racism is only a White European theory/term to describe this thought process and can only be attributed to White People.

*I think if they were intellectually honest, then they HAVE to come up with other "terms" describing other Cultures/Peoples "racism" that is on the same "level" as "racism".

It is about Power. White People (as a whole) have more Power (freedom, society's acceptance, systems, etc.) over BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Colour) and consciously or unconsciously wield it over them.

So for people on the left and gen Z, who have been steeped in this theory, see a White* Rich Nation brandishing their Power/Racism over "poor" "Colonized" People of Colour, and you see why they support a "resistances" Genocidal Terrorist Organization that brutalizes their own people and want to ethnically cleanse all Jews of the face of the earth.

*Never mind that there are Black Jews, Arab Jews (Sephardic Jews), and Brown Jews, Isreal is just a White European Rich Nation of Jews, so you get a coalition of Anti-Racist and Anti-Semites. Weird bedfellows indeed.
 
Pwner said:
I think to understand the "new" Left, you have to understand the new definition of Racism from CARED (Calgary Anti-Racism Education). I would suggest reading the whole website to understand their thought process (I had to sit through an Anti-Racist seminar for work, and I have some thoughts about it that undercut their messaging, basically they don't like Multiculturalism).

Racism — Alberta Civil Liberties Research Centre

www.aclrc.com www.aclrc.com



So basically only White People can be Racist. They even give a term for everyone else: "racial prejudice". A term not as loaded as Racist or Racism, a term that suggests it is just prejudice, so they can change, while White People cannot.

The key metaphor is water (racism) in the fish tank of society.

A little history to understand where they are coming from. In modern history, White European Societies have been the dominate Culture throughout the World. Permeating itself in every dark corner of ALL societies. Through Media, in-groups, representation, everything. And People internalize it, "Whiter" black people are treated better by cops, Whiter Indians (from India) are thought of as more beautiful, Chinese People want to make themselves whiter (I think it is to do with class, tan vs not tan, office works don't get tanned as much as outdoor manual labour).

You can see these products on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/skin-lightening-cream/s?k=skin+lightening+cream

And from Centuries of War and Fighting, their technology advanced much more thoroughly than other societies making it easier to conquer and rule - they don't say this part, just me editorializing .

And since this culture is White centric, it promotes White People above all else. Sets up systems that promote and lift up White People. Or just help the people of the Ruling Parties Countries.

So since these Colonial European Countries conquered and ruled land that was not indigenous to them, they thought they are superior and of better Race/System/Governance/Culture than the "Savages". Think Eugenics. So this theory/term of Racism is only a White European theory/term to describe this thought process and can only be attributed to White People.

*I think if they were intellectually honest, then they HAVE to come up with other "terms" describing other Cultures/Peoples "racism" that is on the same "level" as "racism".

It is about Power. White People (as a whole) have more Power (freedom, society's acceptance, systems, etc.) over BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Colour) and consciously or unconsciously wield it over them.

So for people on the left and gen Z, who have been steeped in this theory, see a White* Rich Nation brandishing their Power/Racism over "poor" "Colonized" People of Colour, and you see why they support a "resistances" Genocidal Terrorist Organization that brutalizes their own people and want to ethnically cleanse all Jews of the face of the earth.

*Never mind that there are Black Jews, Arab Jews (Sephardic Jews), and Brown Jews, Isreal is just a White European Rich Nation of Jews, so you get a coalition of Anti-Racist and Anti-Semites. Weird bedfellows indeed.
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yeah the "new left".


View: https://x.com/EladNehorai/status/1725007576042221784?s=20
 
And yeah, I do think its becoming clear that schools teaching kids that we are all different and don't forget it because it defines how we fit into society is creating a big dummy problem. Not really the way I expected society to deal with racism/gender/sexuality etc..
 
I’m somewhat familiar with the New Left perspective. It makes absolutely zero sense re: Russia, which has an unreformed imperial worldview and routinely deployed violence (“effective power”) over centuries. It is/was a major player in Imperial Europe. So there’s that.

Ultimately, this issue of actual accountability/ responsibility is obscured by this New Left ideology. Were the Arabs the victims of Turkish and European colonialism? Yup. Does this justify the savagery of Oct 7? Nope. Similarly, we all know about the historical suffering of the Jews but does that allow for free for all carnage in Gaza. No. And we’ll see what comes if that, the outcome is still TBD. We know about the colonial domination of China. Does that mean we can’t ask about the Uighurs? And no, European colonization of the Western Hemisphere or Australia isn’t a counterpoint to Beijing’s policy stance towards Xinjiang (an absurd argument I’ve seen.)

This New Left argument can be used as a whataboutist fig leaf to justify violence and to tell the hypocritical west to go shove it. Of course, in doing so, they surrender moral authority and are inviting the burden/consequence of imperialist guilt to their own doorstep.

Now some might criticize me… oh sure, you are trying to shut down the colonial guilt narrative by denying the legitimate perspective and grievance of colonized victims. Well, no. The west was a colonizing power that committed civilizational level crimes. That is an objective fact, and the collective west is accountable for that whether we like it or not. But those crimes are not a justification or a shield against criticism for genocidal psychopaths in 2023.

The lesson for us in the liberal west, I think, is that if we don’t meaningfully reconcile with our past and if we we shrug off accountability, then this kind of duplicitous narrative will be used as a shield for illiberal authoritarians and warmongers who play the victim.* The irony here is that Putin and Xi are instrumentalizing past violence of the west to undertake deliberate, policy driven violence on a grand scale today.

*For Ukraine to be really credible coming out of this war, they should acknowledge crimes that were committed by OUN against Jews and Poles.
 
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