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The Fantastically Beautiful Joyously Superfun 22-23 Season Celebration Thread

LeafOfFaith said:
But that means they didn’t have to then.
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Well trading Sandin for picks + no Schenn woulda done it. Still had to trade Sandin tho. Or Holl would have been fine too. Instead they traded both Sandin and Engvall which was obviously bad. Basically getting Schenn meant they had to trade Engvall even if they didn't get Gus for Sandin.

But of course, they still had some space to do somethign creative in the trade market even after all of that. Trading Kerf, Holl, adding a good forward with retention, etc. But it is what it is. Just win now.
 
leafman101 said:
Yes. They could have traded Sandin for just picks and not picked up Schenn. Or moved Holl. Or a bunch of other players.

But they had to move out someone making over $1.1 mil. Thats all I said.
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this presumes Murray is reactivated when he was. they could have stashed him there longer to create more space, send ZAR down to minors, etc.

I don't think the only option was 'dump a F for nothing'
 
Wayward DP said:
this presumes Murray is reactivated when he was. they could have stashed him there longer to create more space, send ZAR down to minors, etc.

I don't think the only option was 'dump a F for nothing'
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…and again, if they were going to dump any forward for nothing, the obvious candidate should have been Kerfoot.

I’m not one of those who’s really mourning Engvall’s loss, but picking him to dump ahead of Kerfoot and ditching him without replacing him with an improvement both don’t make a lick of sense to me.
 
Wayward DP said:
this presumes Murray is reactivated when he was. they could have stashed him there longer to create more space, send ZAR down to minors, etc.

I don't think the only option was 'dump a F for nothing'
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The only way that works is if they leave Murray on LTIR until the playoffs, as they don't accrue space in LTIR. ZAR was never enough space. They needed $1.1 mill to activate Murray.

The only option wasn't dump a F for nothing. But they had to dump someone.
 
leafman101 said:
The only way that works is if they leave Murray on LTIR until the playoffs, as they don't accrue space in LTIR. ZAR was never enough space. They needed $1.1 mill to activate Murray.

The only option wasn't dump a F for nothing. But they had to dump someone.
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right they are in LTIR so cannot accrue space, fair point.

but waive ZAR, trade Sandin does the trick doesn't it?
 
Like I said, they couldn't keep Engvall and shed half of his salary but they could have traded Engvall or Kerfoot, found an upgrade on them and retain or double retain. That was the issue and the reason I wasn't pissed about the Engvall trade until I found out they didn't even try to repalce him.
 
Preston said:
Like I said, they couldn't keep Engvall and shed half of his salary but they could have traded Engvall or Kerfoot, found an upgrade on them and retain or double retain. That was the issue and the reason I wasn't pissed about the Engvall trade until I found out they didn't even try to repalce him.
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Yup. Engvall is one of the leaders of our playoff bitch brigade that I've warned about all year so I'm not choked that we moved him being a pending UFA that I wouldn't have re signed and all.

Buuuut. He was still an effective 3LW that we didn't replace with another effective 3LW.
 
MindzEye said:
Yup. Engvall is one of the leaders of our playoff bitch brigade that I've warned about all year so I'm not choked that we moved him being a pending UFA that I wouldn't have re signed and all.

Buuuut. He was still an effective 3LW that we didn't replace with another effective 3LW.
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Yup. "Someone had to go", while technically true, is a bit simplistic. They did not have to subtract from a forward group that was already lacking depth in order to get under the cap while they have 9 active dmen (lmao). They could have done everything from keep the current forward group and add a forward with retention, trade Kerf/Engvall and upgrade for a single forward or potentially 2 forwards with retention, etc. Possibilities were endless. The only unacceptable one for me was to subtract from the forward group and not add anyone.. And that's what they did.

It's gonna have to be Knies I think. I'm unusually optimistic that he can contribute and if it happens that would be enormous. Probably just me being unrealistic tho.
 
Artnes said:
McMann an option to fill his role effectively? Sample is small but he look damn good in that sample
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McMann and Knies have to be given a fair look here, yeah. They could use some extra pop in the bottom 6 and they could provide it.
 
Artnes said:
McMann an option to fill his role effectively? Sample is small but he look damn good in that sample
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At this point, they should throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, since there’s no other option for improved depth.

So at least one of McMann, Holmberg, Steeves or Knies should be in the lineup every night between now and the end of the season and given a real opportunity to prove whether or not they’re better than bottom-of-the-lineup dreck like ZAR, Kampf & Kerfoot.
 
Preston said:
Yup. "Someone had to go", while technically true, is a bit simplistic. They did not have to subtract from a forward group that was already lacking depth in order to get under the cap while they have 9 active dmen (lmao). They could have done everything from keep the current forward group and add a forward with retention, trade Kerf/Engvall and upgrade for a single forward or potentially 2 forwards with retention, etc. Possibilities were endless. The only unacceptable one for me was to subtract from the forward group and not add anyone.. And that's what they did.

It's gonna have to be Knies I think. I'm unusually optimistic that he can contribute and if it happens that would be enormous. Probably just me being unrealistic tho.
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Even then. Could've been Knies and Engvall. They literally just weakened themselves for nothing.
 
LeafGm said:
At this point, they should throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, since there’s no other option for improved depth.

So at least one of McMann, Holmberg, Steeves or Knies should be in the lineup every night between now and the end of the season and given a real opportunity to prove whether or not they’re better than bottom-of-the-lineup dreck like ZAR, Kampf & Kerfoot.
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Kampf is a capable 4C, I'd give him that, but as soon as I see him playing higher in the lineup it pisses me off. Classic Leafy disregard in house talent like Holmberg to play a guy higher up than he deserves just because he's had a few more birthdays.

ZAR literally does nothing. Guy has been an enigma for me all year but it's been 60 games and he's just useless. That lazy ass play last night before their first goal - I mean, are you chasing down the icing or not, like what the fuck are you doing? If not traded, he should've just been waived, and been on the Marlies waiting as an injury replacement.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how Kerf has become so ineffective though. I know blah blah he was propped up artificially by linemates and all that, but I don't buy it. He has always been much better than this, and now sucks and can't produce with good linemates too.

Holmberg and McMann should be in, and the other guys in the wings waiting for them to fuck up. Add Knies and it pushes them back one more slot. But go with talent for fuck sake. Could've had all three penciled in at league minimum and ditched ZAR and Kerf and had like $3M to play with.
 
By the way, all of this just with respect to Engvall.

They dropped Sandin and another 1.5 years of cheap RFA status for what again?? To bring in UFA fodder like Schenn and Gus?
 
Maybe Keefe wanted kerfoot gone and is playing him to showcase his warts. More realistically they want to motivate bunting and this is temporary.
 
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