The ****ing Season thread, 2015/16 Edition
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MindzEye
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Babcock is a ****ing magician.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Grabner has 6 points in his last 5, which is exactly half way to 12 in his last 10.
JackBurton
Well-known member
Bernier has destroyed Babcock's coach of the year win.
Well on their way to a 9th place finish...
Bozak named 3rd star of the week.
Trade value increasing with every game.
Trade value increasing with every game.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
You people don't listen. This is ****ing brilliant. He's got the spare parts playing great hockey at the right time of the year. Who ****ing cares if Grabner goes 20 games goal less to start the year if he scores 10-12 over the 30 games between then and the deadline? He's got this crew of spare parts playing really good hockey, and we'll be cashing them in with more than enough time left in the season to finish terribly with the Jack Sill's of the league leading the charge to the bottom 3.
Shit...even with this excellent run of form, we're still 15th in the east and 27th in the league.
We're going to move a bunch of pieces for a bunch of picks, and give Hunter another run at the draft with 13+ picks in hand and turn turn an already elite prospect group into an even deeper, more elite prospect group
1 - Leafs (likely top 5, possible top 3)
1 - Penguins (conditional)
2 - Leafs (31-35)
3 - Leafs (61-65)...though we owe Jersey & Detroit 3rd's as Babcock & Lamierello compensation, to be delivered in 16-17-18.
4 - Leafs
5 - Leafs
5 - Ducks
6 - Blues
6 - Leafs
7 - TBay (Conditional on Ashton Carter playing 15 games this year)
7 - Leafs
They'll get more mid rounders for Polak, Grabner, PAP, Reimer, Matthias...and don't be shocked to see Bozak traded either.
And this is the difference between now and before where we, I at the forefront, were worried about rising in the standings.
With this management group, we'll have a lot of picks and we'll pick great players regardless of the round.
Win as many games as you can.
Sure thing...the best case scenario is EXACTLY what will happen for the Leafs.
Leafs last 24 games: 12-7-5 for a 99 point pace...project that going forward and explain your top 3-5 pick.
Well two assumptions:
1- the team generally lacks talent so they'll go on high and lows. Right now they are on a high and will come back to earth
2- most importantly, the team will lose some of the responsible players as well as some depth. It'll bring them back to the bottom of the standings post deadline.
hockeylover
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Think I'd be more concerned about draft position this year if Thomas Chabot was our best prospect and if we didn't have Hunter at the draft table.
2 is an assumption that doesn't always pan out...
Ya cause the Sens drafting and player development is so poor...idiot
hockeylover
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Erm. Not what I said, try reading again.
LeafGm
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If Babsocks can keep us going at a 99-point pace after we sell off anything that isn't nailed down at the deadline, and replace those players either with the kind of cap/roster dumps we took on last year (Zach Sill, Joakim Lindstrom, Eric Brewer) or with the likes of Rich Clune, Matt Frattin & Richard Panik from the Marlies...then more power to him.
And yes, our management group will be selling off any pending UFA that we can get value for, even if we are within spitting distance of the playoffs. Hanging onto the likes of Parenteau, Grabner or Polak and trying to ride them to either a 9th place finish or a first or second round playoff exit doesn't fit at all with the "Cup process" Babcock and all of our managers keep talking about.
Anyway, all that being said, I'm not as confident as ME that we'll end up with a top-3 or top-5 pick. Just look at the standings right now---if we had four fewer points, we'd be in 30th. And at the same time, if we had four more points, we'd be tied for 17th in points.
Throw the draft lottery for the top-3 picks into the mix too, and I could easily see us picking in the 7-10 range rather than the top-3 or the top-5. But I honestly don't really care a whole lot either way. Auston Matthews is far and away the top available player this year, but after him, there's a whole bunch of players I'd be happy getting. And besides my confidence in Hunter, it's also worth remembering the 8th pick in 2014 got us Willie Nylander.
As well, this season is win-win for me as a fan. I'm very happy to see them playing well and I'm enjoying (and cheering for) every win they get. But if we lose, that's no big deal, and somewhat for the greater good this year too.
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MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Trading our expiring veterans for a bunch of mid round picks is hardly "best case scenario". I'm suggesting 2 things are going to happen:
1) We will trade off our veterans, who for the most part are performing well enough to warrant a playoff team of playoff chaser spending mid rounders on them
2) Management will replace those decent veteran players with Jack Sill type AHL scrubs they receive in the respective trades (like we did last year), and the team will suffer because of it.
I'm hardly making crazy predictions here.
I don't expect them to maintain that quality of result. We're 16th in possession(CF%...19th in Fenwick%)...so hardly the type of club that puts up a 99 point pace over 60-70 games without having elite talent in house. 7th in 5 on 5 SV%, which I don't expect to stand the test of time either.
The other thing is, the teams immediately in front of us have also played well lately, so we're not even making up ground on the Carolina's, & Buffalo's of the world. 75 -80 points looks like it could be a bottom 3-4 finish this season. 78-80 points isn't really a dreadful hockey team.
PKForce81
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I'm guessing you haven't seen too many games this season. Beating Dallas twice, St.Louis, Los Angeles Kings and so on, wasn't some luck, we dominated those teams. Literally the only reason we aren't much better is 1) guys were still learning the system the first 10 or so games and 2) goaltending absolutely sucked. There is nothing that says it will continue to go up and down unless number 2 goes downhill again(and now Reimer is healthy and Bernier can stop a beachball).
ME, do you do think Komarov gets dealt too? I don't think i saw it in the above post. I still think Leo stays. Some of the other guys like Parenteau, Winnik, Mathias, etc, i think couple of those get moved to make room for young guys next year.
MindzEye
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I think he's available, absolutely. If someone coughed up a 1st or fairly high end prospect Hunter/Dubas were high on I think Leo would go bye bye, absolutely. Is he gone in the way the names I mentioned are? No.
Guys with term are more likely to be summer deals anyway. Leo & Bozak specifically. Deadline tends to be populated with expiring guys moving around, with teams avoiding term. Though, with Bozak and Leo both on really team friendly contracts, I could see a GM make an exception there.
PKForce81
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Agreed.
hockeylover
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Between Matthews, Chychrun, Tkachuk, Puljujarvi, Laine, Nylander, Gauthier and whoever else emerges + Nylander, Marner, Timashov, Dermott, etc... yeah, we're gonna be just fine.