Well delaying does give them additional flexibility if they wanted to make another move. But any plus to that would be weighed against the badwill you would accrue with Jarvis by leaving him hanging.
The many possible paydays of Seth Jarvis
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Another move as in moving Jarvis? Because that's just not happening. Otherwise the longer this takes, the less time Carolina has to do anything else with their cap money should there be any left. Remember, they're holding out hope for the long term deal for Jarvis, which means they have to assume that they're capped out as it currently stands. Good will and bad is WAY over-played in this conversation. These are not children and contracts are the one part of the sport that can safely be described as "just business"
SlapShots
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There are too many RFAs still unsigned. We know BOS isn’t losing Swayman and the Redwings aren’t losing Seider or Raymond. I suspect once a big RFA signing is made, the rest will start falling. I did think that once Berniers signed with Seattle, others weren’t far behind, too, so what do I know?
cmaleski2
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I don't think the Canes would really have that view (if they do, that is a dumb approach that is going to cause us to bleed high end talent).
If you are going to try to benchmark contracts that are signed in different years when different salary caps were in place, the best way to compare contracts and AAVs is the % of the cap that contract represented at the time of signing. The reason for this is as the cap goes up, salaries are going to go up.
The Svech contract at $7.75 million AAV was 9.51% of the salary cap of $81.5 million at the time it was signed. If you want to say that is the benchmark the Canes don't want to exceed, the REAL benchmark is that 9.51% of the salary cap at the time of signing. With the cap at $88 million, 9.51% of that is $8,368,800. I suspect that Jarvis would be willing to take $8.25 million per on an 8 year deal. If so, that is actually less of a cap hit percentage than Svech got.
The Canes can't just keep $7.75 million AAV as some sort of internal max for our top forwards not named Aho. Salary inflation happens. This is why Aho at $9.75 million AAV (11.1% of the cap in its first season) is actually far less than Sidney Crosby's $8.7 million AAV (13.7% of cap at its first season 11 seasons ago).
If we really want to go 8 seasons with Jarvis, the right number is $8-$8.5 million. This range would be pretty hard for either side to dispute. $7.75 million AAV doesn't get it done on an 8 year deal.
ThinIce
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Jarvis has shown his worth in each and every season, becoming an even better player than we first imagined. We don't know what number is in the heads of Canes management for a long-term deal, but $8-8.5 million seems like a reasonable amount to me, and especially should wear well over time. If that's too rich, then go the short route and pay later.
Yeah, I think Luke is crossing his wires between Jarvis' offers being tied to Svech's AAV and being tied to his percent of cap. Of course, if the Canes could get Jarvis on $7.75 mil for 7 or 8 years, they'd be silly not to at least try ... but I'm sure we're talking 8x8.something if it's a long term deal. Which is fine.
Always a possibility ... especially if they already have 8 other guys who play the same position.
He's a winger. So yeah.
I'd take 7 x $7.something and be thrilled with it if I was Carolina's front office. That gets you through the kid's prime and you're only losing one year off max.
Elsker
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I could see where both parties would benefit from a 7-year term instead of the maximum 8-year term.
Allows for a “face-saving” AAV of $7.75M to be reasonable instead of $8+M. This would both help the org’s current budget and provide for a peacekeeping AAV match with Svechnikov (even though at a lower percent of salary budget).
Also sets up a second maximum extension option at age 29 instead of 30. That both increases the amount that might be on the table for Jarvis and makes it easier for the org to justify.
Additionally it schedules that second Jarvis extension a season before Aho’s next extension is due.
Allows for a “face-saving” AAV of $7.75M to be reasonable instead of $8+M. This would both help the org’s current budget and provide for a peacekeeping AAV match with Svechnikov (even though at a lower percent of salary budget).
Also sets up a second maximum extension option at age 29 instead of 30. That both increases the amount that might be on the table for Jarvis and makes it easier for the org to justify.
Additionally it schedules that second Jarvis extension a season before Aho’s next extension is due.
polarbare
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CPFC did Newcastle dirty and I laughed and laughed.