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The Mental Midget/RC/Dolt thread

Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

AH$$$ said:
What does that have to do with anything? What makes Boucher better than Therrien other than the polish?
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Subban, MaxPac, DD all specifically credited him by name for their development.

BTW, the ability to strategically communicate with the echo boom generation, is knowing how to say what & when - "polish" is a key ingredient to accomplish said feat.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

Sal_Butera said:
Subban, MaxPac, DD all specifically credited him by name for their development.

BTW, the ability to strategically communicate with the echo boom generation, is knowing how to say what & when - "polish" is a key ingredient to accomplish said feat.
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Developing players has been one of MT's strengths so that's not an issue.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

Sal_Butera said:
I get the usage of DD last night - it's called knowing who butters u'r bread. Showing up u'r boss (for signing DD to that deal) in game 1 of the season only expedited the process to hitting the unemployment line.

Having said that, many here were cringing of the Markov-Diaz pairing, on cue they stunk up the joint. It was clear the Leafs focused on separating Diaz & Markov from the pack to exploit them, for DD, Briere, Plekanec, and Gionta game plan was to play the game against the boards & in the corners avoid open ice at all costs, again Carlyle strategy accomplished.

Mental midget had counter to either strategy. I get it mental midget is not a high end tactician. Or communicator like Julien, Babcock, Walrus or Carlyle (albeit acid tongued), but I felt he deserved another chance (Habs coach), because he "went to school" since his departure from the Pens - I was wrong, he's a moron akin to the moron club on RDS, Bergeron et al.

There's no cerebral capability whatsoever in him, let alone strategic capability - a pure rah rah type guy, who in this day and age of specialized skill sets is going to look like a fool over time.
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Well said! I would add that it is an embarassment that a supposed "#1" center that can't stay on his feet, take a hit, play defense or even take a defensive zone faceoff gets as much playing time as he does! Why do we always consider these players so great (MAB, Latender) simply because they are from Quebec. Once they leave they maybe get a chance on one other team and then they are forced to play in Switzerland because everyone knows they aren't good enough for the NHL...actually make that NHL, or 2nd best league KHL or even 3rd best league Swedish Elite league!

When I saw Desharnais lose the puck at least 4 times in one shift, despite the fact Pacioretty (twice) and Briere's (twice) repeated attempts to retrive the puck and then pass to him so that he could cough it up again left me asking what on earth can a NHL coach see in such a player to have him player on #1 line, #1 PP with arguably the best wingers on the team for 18 mins in a game is beyond me. :banghead:
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

Sal_Butera said:
Subban, MaxPac, DD all specifically credited him by name for their development.

BTW, the ability to strategically communicate with the echo boom generation, is knowing how to say what & when - "polish" is a key ingredient to accomplish said feat.
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Not an issue since all these guys have continued to progress under MT (Subban wins Norris). And then there is EGG and now Tinordi. They have done fine so far.

The difference between the Therrien of 10 years ago to now is that he understands the need to develop young players to keep yourself alive. Plus his boss probably told him its a major expectation of his performance.

So no the echo boom polish crap is for university rooms and boardrooms, not for hockey arenas.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

My two biggest issues with MT very early in the year:

1) The lack of any experimentation until mid-way in the third last night.

Therrien had two weeks worth of pre-season games to try new lines, try new combinations, see if he could hatch up something interesting... And yet, nothing. Every pre-season game had the same combinations. DD & MaxPac played together. Pleks & Bourque played together. The EGG line was together. Markov & Diaz were together. MT insisted on using Diaz on the PP with Subban when Markov wasn't playing.

But the second they're down late and they need a goal, now is the time to experiment?

2) Subban doesn't get enough icetime and it's been on-going since last year.

Subban is head & shoulders the best player on this team, but he only plays "manageable" minutes. No. **** that, he should be playing a minimum of 27 minutes per night. This isn't the Blackhawks where Duncan Keith can play 24 minutes per night and still be okay because of their defensive depth. We don't have great top-end depth. Markov is at the end of the line, Gorges isn't shouldn't be on the first pairing & he's in over his head, Diaz should be on the third pairing with Bouillon & Tinordi's getting his feet wet.

PK should play the full two minutes of every PP and should be used at the very least on the second wave of every PK. I have no idea why they're holding him back.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

AH$$$ said:
Not an issue since all these guys have continued to progress under MT (Subban wins Norris). And then there is EGG and now Tinordi. They have done fine so far.

The difference between the Therrien of 10 years ago to now is that he understands the need to develop young players to keep yourself alive. Plus his boss probably told him its a major expectation of his performance.

So no the echo boom polish crap is for university rooms and boardrooms, not for hockey arenas.
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I personally credit Lefebvre & Hunter for developping Tinordi. Despite being a first round pick in 2010, he didn't have it easy when he started in London (There were actually people saying, "This guy was a first round pick in the NHL?" early in his OHL rookie year). He's come a long way because it took a lot of adjustments & improvement. Tinordi's barely been around MT these last two years.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

GGpX said:
My two biggest issues with MT very early in the year:

1) The lack of any experimentation until mid-way in the third last night.

Therrien had two weeks worth of pre-season games to try new lines, try new combinations, see if he could hatch up something interesting... And yet, nothing. Every pre-season game had the same combinations. DD & MaxPac played together. Pleks & Bourque played together. The EGG line was together. Markov & Diaz were together. MT insisted on using Diaz on the PP with Subban when Markov wasn't playing.

But the second they're down late and they need a goal, now is the time to experiment?

2) Subban doesn't get enough icetime and it's been on-going since last year.
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1) What experiments did he make last night? I must have missed it.

I'm personally fine with letting the lines get some chemistry together in training camp, especially Briere with Max and DD since he was joining the team. Even he personally thanked MT for that. Had he experimented more in training camp, others would have complained about it.

2) I agree.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

Therrien isn't a bad coach but like all bad coach, has issue letting go from old habits to let place to proper evolution. The fact that PK is not getting more icetime is bugging me. the fact that he keep putting Desharnais on the PP is also an issue. The guy can't even stay on his feet on the PP, let alone win a battle along the board and let alone, stop from falling on his ass and give away the puck.

As for Eller, his line finally started to have some PP icetime in the 3rd and Eller was on the ice at 6on5 at the end so Therrien was putting him up more to reward him for his efforts. The issue is that Therrien like all coaches, will rather give more icetime to the useless vets instead of playing the ones who are hot. a common mistake.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

GrandWazoo said:
1) What experiments did he make last night? I must have missed it.

I'm personally fine with letting the lines get some chemistry together in training camp, especially Briere with Max and DD since he was joining the team. Even he personally thanked MT for that. Had he experimented more in training camp, others would have complained about it.

2) I agree.
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He split the lines up & tried some new combinations around midway through the third. I don't remember the exact combination, though.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

Guibs said:
Therrien isn't a bad coach but like all bad coach, has issue letting go from old habits to let place to proper evolution. The fact that PK is not getting more icetime is bugging me. the fact that he keep putting Desharnais on the PP is also an issue. The guy can't even stay on his feet on the PP, let alone win a battle along the board and let alone, stop from falling on his ass and give away the puck.

As for Eller, his line finally started to have some PP icetime in the 3rd and Eller was on the ice at 6on5 at the end so Therrien was putting him up more to reward him for his efforts. The issue is that Therrien like all coaches, will rather give more icetime to the useless vets instead of playing the ones who are hot. a common mistake.
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To be fair, DD-Max-Briere were pretty hot on the PP in the preseason and they're considered our first line and first PP unit. But I've got a feeling that we'll see more and more of the kids as the season goes on.
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

worm said:
why would they want that?

they want a bad goalie to replace a bad goalie?
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Would they do a deal that revolves around Price and Letang (with picks and fillers to make up whatever differences might be in terms of value) ?

We can ride an average goalie until we are truly ready to be contenders

I would rather Letang-PK than Price-PK
 
Re: The Michel Therrien/RC thread

GGpX said:
He split the lines up & tried some new combinations around midway through the third. I don't remember the exact combination, though.
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I didn't see it, I only saw different partners with Moen and Prust after Parros went down, and Moen replacing Gionta on Plekanec's line midway to the 3rd.
 
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