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The Official 2026 Off-Season Thread: Revenge of the Nerds

Preston said:
I mean when asked about the rumors the general manager, assistant general manager and head coach all day "he's a great leaf and loves being a leaf but we'll see what happens" as opposed to "the rumors are false."

It's not so much about believing the rumor guys in all situations as it is using your brain and reading between the lines by practicing common sense. Plus when there's this much noise, there's usually truth to it, as it was on Bob.
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He’s basically said anyone is available off the roster though. Why would 44 be different? Talked about knies tradability without denying rumours or saying never traded.

He was very likely given a list of teams he’d waive for and that’s more data for the GM to use to make the team (hopefully) better. No one should be untradable on one of the worst teams in the league last year. Don’t see the big deal.

His value is at an all time low, don’t foresee a team meeting whatever mark is needed and no salary dump is absolutely necessary when we look at the construction of the team to sell him for shit.

Noise is bullshit, we have a new GM that has shown some ability to keep the leaks out.
 
soco22 said:
He’s basically said anyone is available off the roster though. Why would 44 be different? Talked about knies tradability without denying rumours or saying never traded.

He was very likely given a list of teams he’d waive for and that’s more data for the GM to use to make the team (hopefully) better. No one should be untradable on one of the worst teams in the league last year. Don’t see the big deal.

His value is at an all time low, don’t foresee a team meeting whatever mark is needed and no salary dump is absolutely necessary when we look at the construction of the team to sell him for shit.

Noise is bullshit, we have a new GM that has shown some ability to keep the leaks out.
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I'm not asking you to believe it. You can be skeptical all you want. Some folks here would still like to discuss it though because we believe there is a decent possibility that the move happens within the next 6-9 months.

The bobrovsky signing proved the "no leaks ever" skeptics wrong already. Many would like to discuss the possibility of a trade if that happens again with Mo.
 
I still don't think "smoke" is a reliable indicator of whether or not something is legit in a media environment that t has so obviously shown itself willing to invent and amplify whatever narratives they're interested in at the moment. Sure, they got Bobrovsky right. This is like the old joke about economists accurately predicting 26 of the last 3 recessions though.
 
I think we tend to convince ourselves that everyone is wrong 100% of the time when you we don't agree with what they're implying may be happening. But that's not the case really. Their hit rate no doubt sucks, but I think this Mo thing is beyond "just a rumor" at this stage. The secret is sort of out. Kind of like the Knies discussions. They happened.

And in any event, we shouldn't promote gatekeeping what we discuss on a message board. Even if there's a 1% chance of a Mo trade, it's still discussion fodder.
 
Preston said:

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These guys are all convinced he's a goner eventually. The desperation to trade him is weird, but not as weird if it's a trade request and they're just struggling to find a partner offering a decent deal.

Kinda sucks because there probably isn't an opportunity to upgrade on the player.
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Seems like if there is a trade request and/or the team wanted to move him, San Jose was the opportunity. Considering they absorbed Darnell Nurse and his entire contract with no retention or compensation, and then signed Trouba for $8.5M.

Considering they let that window close, I’m doubtful at this point that he’ll be moved, or if they were ever actively trying to move him in the first place.
 
Preston said:
I think we tend to convince ourselves that everyone is wrong 100% of the time when you we don't agree with what they're implying may be happening. But that's not the case really. Their hit rate no doubt sucks, but I think this Mo thing is beyond "just a rumor" at this stage. The secret is sort of out. Kind of like the Knies discussions. They happened.

And in any event, we shouldn't promote gatekeeping what we discuss on a message board. Even if there's a 1% chance of a Mo trade, it's still discussion fodder.
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It's not a matter of convincing, it's matter of assuming because that's by far the highest probability regardless of what the media chatter is. Trying to parse which of the low single digit percent of 'smoke' isn't full of shit is useless work imo.

Sure, worth discussing hypothetically on a message board for lunatics into that kind of stuff, but under the understanding that it's a low single digit percent chance we're taking about.
 
MindzEye said:
It's not a matter of convincing, it's matter of assuming because that's by far the highest probability regardless of what the media chatter is. Trying to parse which of the low single digit percent of 'smoke' isn't full of shit is useless work imo.

Sure, worth discussing hypothetically on a message board for lunatics into that kind of stuff, but under the understanding that it's a low single digit percent chance we're taking about.
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I think they absolutely shopped him and will continue to. I also think it's unlikely they find a partner that makes sense post July 1st. But I don't think the page is completely closed longer term on exploring that, no. Especially if a big time d becomes available, they'll sorta have to move off Mo if they acquire the player.
 
Yeah, I buy that he was shopped. We were told directly by Chayka that everyone other than Matthews was up for discussion.

All I'm saying is that the volume of smoke doesn't correlate with the likelihood of a move actually happening in any sort of reliable way. These guys all need shit to talk about and we are their default team to justify their pay checks with. The spice must flow and usually the spice is fugazi
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, I buy that he was shopped. We were told directly by Chayka that everyone other than Matthews was up for discussion.

All I'm saying is that the volume of smoke doesn't correlate with the likelihood of a move actually happening in any sort of reliable way. These guys all need shit to talk about and we are their default team to justify their pay checks with. The spice must flow and usually the spice is fugazi
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Wait no I never said volume of smoke was correlated. I did say that often it's fairly obvious what is true and what isn't. The Bob stuff felt obvious, The Knies stuff felt obvious. The Mo stuff felt obvious. Mo literally said it himself in his post season presser, he basically said his goodbyes and acknowledged it may be the end, I don't know what we're talking about here. I think it's a case by case basis and common sense should be used.

The Lomberg stuff, Joshua being traded stuff, the McCabe being traded stuff, the Matthews not reporting to camp stuff, I can go on and on... Those are just darts being thrown by individual reporters.
 
You’re rewarding the clickbait environment and allowing Paul Marners butt buddy and his pals to make money and a living. Fuck that.

And your reading into our GM comments to the clickbait as a reason to discuss it. He already said he won’t discuss all the rumours and not possible/waste of life.

But Yeh, generally discuss whatever the fuck you feel like. Just like I can discuss how dumb the source is. Of course, if they keep putting things out there - maybe they get it right that 0.1 percent of the time. And they will use that luck to keep on click baiting Toronto fans.

Preston said:
I think we tend to convince ourselves that everyone is wrong 100% of the time when you we don't agree with what they're implying may be happening. But that's not the case really. Their hit rate no doubt sucks, but I think this Mo thing is beyond "just a rumor" at this stage. The secret is sort of out. Kind of like the Knies discussions. They happened.

And in any event, we shouldn't promote gatekeeping what we discuss on a message board. Even if there's a 1% chance of a Mo trade, it's still discussion fodder.
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Preston said:
Wait no I never said volume of smoke was correlated.
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But then what is "smoke" if it's not a volume of chatter from our media class? That's exactly what smoke is mate. When all/most of them won't shut up about the same thing, it gets called smoke.
 
MindzEye said:
But then what is "smoke" if it's not a volume of chatter from our media class? That's exactly what smoke is mate. When all/most of them won't shut up about the same thing, it gets called smoke.
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Morgan Rielly at the end of the season said he understands that "there may be change and as an athlete you have to be prepared for that."

And then the only relatively accurate insider said that they were absolutely shopping him and trying to move him. He didn't say that about Jake McCabe. Others did. I ignored that because it didn't make sense and they're all shit and full of shit. Same deal with Bobrovsky. I didn't listen to Kypreos saying he'd sign for 6 years. That's dumb. He's dumb. Elliotte said 3x7. Made sense to me. It's just common sense stuff.

That's it.
 
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