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It's pretty hard to look ahead past opening day, the first game they have played in 8 months. Maybe if it was week 9 you'd have an argument.

And speaking of overlooking offseason improvement....

Also there are no points, do the "3 either way" is irrelevant.
 
It's pretty hard to look ahead past opening day, the first game they have played in 8 months. Maybe if it was week 9 you'd have an argument..

Or they understand that they have to win this game or they could be looking at 0-3 to start the year keeping in mind they have the Cards week 4.

To both of you -- Research then post Favre's numbers for season openers since 2002.

First post his total combined TD's in all those season openers , his total INT's, and total fumbles.. Then post his game-by game numbers for his last 3 season openers. ;)
 
To both of you -- Research then post Favre's numbers for season openers since 2002.

First post his total combined TD's in all those season openers , his total INT's, and total fumbles.. Then post his game-by game numbers for his last 3 season openers. ;)

Farve's opening day record the last 3 years: 1-2

Pennington's: 1-2

Thats the only stat that matters.
 
To both of you -- Research then post Favre's numbers for season openers since 2002.

First post his total combined TD's in all those season openers , his total INT's, and total fumbles.. Then post his game-by game numbers. ;)

I have no personal bias in this since I'm not really a huge NFL fan and don't maintain an allegience to any particular team so I decided to do some research on your questions, LN.

2002: W Green Bay 37 Atlanta 24
2003: L Minnesota 30 Green Bay 25
2004: W Green Bay 24 Carolina 14
2005: L Detroit 17 Green Bay 3
2006: L Chicago 26 Green Bay 14
2007: W Green Bay 16 Philadelphia 13

Total record: 3-3 (.500).

Favre's game-by-game numbers:

2002: 25 for 36 passing, 284 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT.
2003: 25 for 41 passing, 248 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT.
2004: 15 for 22 passing, 143 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.
2005: 27 for 44 passing, 201 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.
2006: 15 for 29 passing, 170 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.
2007: 23 for 42 passing, 206 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT.

Totals: 130 for 214 passing (61% completion rating), 1252 total yards passing, 4 TD, 9 INT.

That's a pretty shaky record in opening days, and if you go by the last three years Favre hasn't thrown a touchdown in the first game of the season while also tossing 5 interceptions. Pretty bad if you ask me.
 
Farve's opening day record the last 3 years: 1-2

Pennington's: 1-2

Thats the only stat that matters.

Pennington is 2-0 against Favre.

And since 2003, in Favre's season openers he has 2 TD's / 11 INT's / 4 fumbles. he sure looks like a slow starter. And for a team that I don't see being able to score multiple touchdowns running the ball on Miami's new defensive front, that has to be concerning for Jets fans I would imagine.
 
I still like Jets laying the 3 in this one. And the under if the effects of that hurrincane are there by game time.

Also like the Steelers -6.5 at home vs the Texans.
 
Pennington is 2-0 against Favre.

And since 2003, in Favre's season openers he has 2 TD's / 11 INT's / 4 fumbles. he sure looks like a slow starter. And for a team that I don't see being able to score multiple touchdowns running the ball on Miami's new defensive front, that has to be concerning for Jets fans I would imagine.

Not really. Picking out games like that is pretty circumstantial. They are just singular games.

Its not like looking at a guy in baseball, who notoriously doesn't start hitting until june, or a goal scorer in hockey who tends to stop scoring after the all start game.

Things change week to week and year to year in the NFL. I don't think it tells you much to pick out single games like that.

I mean if you think about it in 2005 they played the Lions who were coming off of a 6 win season (5 in 2005), 2006 the Bears coming off of an 11 win season (13 in 2006), last year Philly coming off of a 10 win season (8 in 2007).

The Dolphins are his worst opening day opponent, by a large margin, over that period.

Also the only game in there against a division rival he was great in.

Like I said. Circumstantial.
 
And the under if the effects of that hurrincane are there by game time..
They are safe for the hurricane. The sunday forecast is low 90's partly sunny with mid humidity and 10% chance of showers ( only 5 mph winds).

Anyway, he had 9 INT's, not 11.. When you include his fumbles that is 2TD's / 13 turnovers in Favre's last 5 season openers.
 
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Not really. Picking out games like that is pretty circumstantial. They are just singular games..

No doubt. But by the same token he has shown a propensity to be a slow starter recently... Now anything can happen in the world of sports, especially football.. People buck trends all the time in sports.. But I thought it was worth noting.
 
In Pittsburg? I dunno man, Steelers have toughest sched this year I think and this is a game they have to get. I think the Texans are on the rise but playing at Hienz Field is gonna be tough. Big Ben and Wille P healthy this year will be big for them. And there D is always toush especially at home.
 
The thing to watch in that game is the Texans defensive front 7 against Pittsburgh's "iffy" O-line.. Houston boasts some very nice young talent up front with Mario Williams, Amobi Okoye and DeMeco Ryans

The Texans also have a solid offensive line with a respectable running game.. They run an efficient offense. I think this matchup makes for a very physical game.
 
what do guys think about the Bengals-Ravens game? Its basically a pick em' with the Bengals laying 2.

Not entirely sure how the Ravens plan on scoring with Flacco starting and McGahee banged up. Though the line is fishy for some reason.
 
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/05/ted-sunquists-week-one-scouting-reports-jets-at-dolphins/

TED SUNQUIST’S WEEK ONE SCOUTING REPORTS: JETS AT DOLPHINS

Too bad there aren’t any story lines for two AFC East teams returning in ‘08 with a combined five wins between them. Are you kidding me? As if Brett Favre wearing “JET” green wasn’t enough to talk about; throw in the reclamation project of Bill Parcells in Miami, Chad Pennington opening against the team that drafted him in the first round in 2000 and the impending threat of hurricanes or tropical storms that may strike southern Florida over the weekend. That’s not even mentioning the blasted heat and humidity that tends to wilt Miami opponents in early September. This game represents a rebirth of one team, and a shot — if not a last gasp — at playoff contention for another.

Emotion will play as big a factor in this game as any across the League this weekend. Who could have envisioned back in March that Brett Favre would eventually “unretire” and leave the Packers in the situation they found themselves this summer? But much to G.M. Mike Tannebaum and head coach Eric Mangini’s delight, New York thinks they’ve added just the catalyst to jump start a sagging offense from 2007. Favre brings not only a champion’s leadership qualities to his on-field play, but he may even have a little left in the tank (6th in QB rating ’07) to move a unit that ranked 26th in total offense last season. In limited action he was quite accurate, if not efficient, completing 14 of 18 for 144 yards and 1 touchdown. Critics point to the fact that Favre spent 16 seasons with a club whose offensive philosophy was built around the “West Coast” theory of precision timing routes. Year after year he could rely on the talent of Sharpe, Brooks, Freeman, Walker, or Driver to come up with the “big catch” on the other end of one of his “big plays”. Questions now abound as to how he will respond to the “read and react” patterns of New York’s scheme.

His ability to do so will be KEY #1 to a fast start for the Jets. Miami will look to shut down the run first, something they were able to accomplish over their 3-1 preseason. Favre will more than likely be given every opportunity to beat the Dolphins through the air. Miami’s retooled front posted 14 sacks in the month of August. They had 24 all of last year!

New York’s defense will try to slow down the prototypical run game of a Bill Parcells-constructed team. New head coach Tony Sparano is an offensive line coach by trade and would love nothing more than to establish a reliable ground attack early. Little wonder that Dolphins G.M. Jeff Ireland signed the athletic OG Justin Smiley through free agency and then used the first pick of the draft to select talented OT Jake Long, effectively solidifying the left side. Samson Satele is a young holdover from the last regime at center, while massive veteran OT Vernon Carey holds down the right tackle position. This rebuilt front, that includes rookies Shawn Murphy and Donald Thomas at OG, are all listed at or over 310 lbs, with the exception of Satele at 300 lbs. To counter this push up front, the Jets bring their own retooled line bolstered by the offseason acquisition of “huge” NT Kris Jenkins. Jenkins is the perfect fit for the 3-4 scheme. Well documented weight problems in Carolina aside, Jenkins is stout at the point of attack and very athletic for a man his size. He will strongly test the interior front of the Miami offense and should allow the LB’s more room to roam and fill versus the run. The Jets struggled in ’07 at times to slow many opponents down on the ground, especially in short yardage, and Jenkins play will be KEY #2.

Despite being released by his first opponent (which was as much a political move to add the superstar Favre as it was linked to performance), Chad Pennington brings a bit of stability to a position that has floundered over the past few seasons in Miami. Pennington showed workman-like efficiency in August, passing for 72% with no turnovers or sacks to his credit. Though the future appears to be second-round pick Chad Henne’s, Pennington will be able to “hold down the fort” while the rest of the offense pulls together and Henne continues to develop. Pennington is smart, tough, extremely accurate, a leader and has three seasons of playoff experience; exactly what you need to tutor a young QB in the wings and to lead in a rebuilding effort. So quickly respected was Pennington, that the team elected him captain this week (as the Jets did with Favre). His career Achilles heel has been injuries to most body parts except his Achilles heel. Given the situation, look for the Dolphins to keep things fairly balanced, if not somewhat conservative.

The Dolphins will work to Smiley and Long’s side in establishing the run game, which I KEY #3, and hope to wear out the Jets in the heat and humidity of Dolphin Stadium. One thing RB Ricky Williams is, a workhorse. Monitored properly and given the correct load, the Dolphins are 16-3 when he rushes for more than 100 yards. And don’t forget that Ronnie Brown added four 100-yard games of his own in ’07 before suffering a season-ending knee injury. This should allow for the offense to cut down on some of its preseason mistakes (penalties and fumbles), create some early confidence and will surely be a “must” if the aforementioned weather dictates the play.

KEY #4 is linked to KEY #1, controlling Brett Favre. The Dolphins will play a mix of 3-4 and 4-3 looks at the Jets to take advantage of personnel and to keep the opponent off balance. There certainly won’t be much thrown at Favre that he hasn’t seen, but whether he can read it quickly enough and find the open man is pending. Miami sacked opposing QB’s 14 times in preseason to lead the NFL (NYJ was #2 with 13). The pressure came from across the board (DT, DE & LB) so the defensive staff has to be pleased with the flexibility of their front seven thus far. Hopefully this will improve the overall play of DB’s Will Allen and Michael Lehan as well. However Favre still shows me the foot quickness and pocket presence that can improve any team’s offensive line in a hurry. Jericho Cotchery and Laveranues Coles are a solid WR tandem and the Dolphins will get plenty of multiple-receiver sets, but the two have not been traditionally big-play producers. Can Favre stay patient in the face of a fired up defense that held opposing QB’s to just 55.6% in the preseason and forced 4 interceptions? If so, look for a ball control passing game to move the chains and then for Favre to try and sneak one over the defense deep, similar to his second-quarter drive against the Giants in the preseason.

If the storms turn nasty, the play of both punters could be KEY #5 to this game. Any screw up in getting the ball out of your own end of the field under poor conditions can be the determining factor in winning or losing a close game. Both Jets punter Ben Graham and Dolphin punter Brandon Fields have decent gross averages, but Graham has pinned opponents inside the 20 forty-nine times in two seasons. A long field, with fumble problems over their last four games, is not what Miami needs to get off to a good start.
 
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texans steelers has a great potential for a close game for the reasons LN said.....Texans could be the most underrated team in the NFL, and Matt Schaub most underrated QB
 
With another solid draft next year the Texans can be a contender in the AFC. If they just shore up the secondary and a couple positions while the youth in their strong positions mature, they will be a true force.
 
BTW Jonas, there are some really good player interviews just released on MiamiDolphins.com . Since you're a dolphins fan.......

Go to the site and just click on the "Open Aquavision Media Player" link under the video screen on the right side of the homepage.. You'll see plenty of player interviews taken inside the locker room after practice ( including today and yesterday). I think it's cool, I don't see other teams do this sort of thing on a daily basis on their team site,.

Jason Ferguson is always a good interview. The guy is a total riot.. Crowder is a piece of work as well.. Porter of course...... Justin Smiley also is good, he's a character. BTW, lsten to what he says about the two rooks on the O-line. I also recommend defensive co-ordinator Paul Pasqualoni's press conference (which you will see there). Very informative..... There's a lot more there, about 40 pages.. Some good stuff , enjoy ;)
 
The Texans are a very good and much improved team, but they've still got a ways to go. They play in maybe the toughest division in football, and still have to pass the Jags, Colts, and Titans before they can really be a force in the AFC. And all of those three teams are excellent at drafting and have some extremely talented players.

Another game that should be a great one is Jags vs Titans. They opened the season against each other last year and the Titans beat the Jags at home, wearing them down and actually doing better in the heat than the Jags. Not to mention these two have been division rivals forever, and Richard Collier is in the hospital fighting for his life. Should be an inspired effort from both sides.

This year is going to be the year my Jags finally win the AFC South and beat out the Colts
 
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