hockeylover
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That part of Pelley's presser felt untrue to me, honestly. Not sure I'm buying the whole "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find Brad Treliving didn't have a data driven process" only at that last trade deadline story.
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CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
I'm not sure how you can say that with Sabres and Habs still alive and the Florida teams playing golf
Preston
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When you have the same organizations in the basement forever and the same organizations at the top forever, it's clear that some organizations are playing a different game than the others. This is the first year where you have some new teams in there, and the Habs are an example that supports my argument. Get a little data-centric and you'll have a quick turnaround. These teams that have been rebuilding for a decade are just dumb. Just like what the Leafs just turned into in just a couple years post-Dubas.
LeafGm
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CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
I do agree that the NHL is definitely way behind other leagues -- I always think of it as the "dumb league". But the tide has shifted, strongly, I think.
Preston
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It's shifting. And has been shifting for a long while. I'm not arguing against the trend. I do look around the league though, and I still see a LOT of dumb execs and a lot of dumb decisions being made. I think it's going to take years, maybe decades to cycle out the old boys club that have been clinging on to power for a long time. In the meantime, being data centric is still a competitive advantage in the NHL, not the baseline.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
I agree. He came across like a parent saying "I can't believe my aloof teenage son was vaping pot in his room all this time"
zeke
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Oh i absolutely think that a guy with Pelley's professional background could be legit shocked that the NHL in general and a billions-dollar franchise like toronto could actually respect and keep hiring guys that lack even the most basic appreciation of having a data driven decision making process.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
so, you're saying Pelley never had a conversation with Tre before the deadline?
LeafGm
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Not accusing you of spinning everything positively. I’m well aware you also had Treliving pegged as a dummy from day one.
But your weakness for nerds (or people who cosplay convincingly as nerds) is going to lead you to a helluva a lot of spinning and cope when it comes to this current regime, I feel.
And “maybe my nerdbro does in fact realize Brooby sucks, but he’s just keeping him around as a sacrificial lamb” is some Grade-A day-1 cope, my friend.
leafman101
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I mean two things are obviously clear. Treliving didn’t have a data driven process. And Pelley and ownership thought the Leafs were in a good spot annd weren’t paying much attention until the wheels fell off this year. They were all in on winning the division and “almost” beat Florida.
Preston
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Having a conversation is different than watching him work. I'm sure watching Tre work would be a shock to all of us tbh. Even though we knew it was chaotic with a lack of vision or direction, it would be probably leave us speechless too.
But yeah, I think he had no idea. And I think that was a problem.
CH1
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Preston
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Listening to a charismatic guy talk that has fooled many execs into hiring him does not equal watching him manage a team and run a trade deadline. I cannot go along with this.
But in any case, even if you feel this way, that's still a failure on Pelley for not getting this information sooner. I don't disagree with that. He should have figured out sooner that the general manager is not even suitable to manage a Wendy's. I just genuinely believe that he figured this out for the first time after watching him work. He wouldn't say this otherwise, because it truly makes him look dumb and incompetent for taking this long to realize it.
zeke
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yeah i don't think he did a thorough investigation of treliving or berube - he was safe in the knowledge that the leafs had been a top team for years on end and that treliving and berube were both widely respected in their roles across the league, hired by a very successful front office of a multi billion dollar franchise.
I don't think he wanted to meddle in the actual hockey ops at all and didn't think he would know better about hockey stuff than these two widely respected hockey lifers.
leafman101
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hockeylover
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It was pretty clear the season was off the rails fairly early so for the CEO to sit up there and say he didn't realize Treliving's process sucked until the deadline is fucking bizarre.
You can be hands off in terms of not meddling with hockey ops and still have the faintest clue how things are working beneath you.
You can be hands off in terms of not meddling with hockey ops and still have the faintest clue how things are working beneath you.
leafman101
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That’s a fair criticism of Pelley, and allowing it to go on as long as he did was a mistake.
That doesn’t mean he wasn’t shocked when he actually do start looking.