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and yeah, I'd strongly consider throwing 8 yrs at Rielly now if it gets you a discount. He's going to be an 8+ million dollar defender when he hits UFA.
 
MindzEye said:
If you offered Kadri 5M x 6 this summer, it would be really hard for him to turn down that much guaranteed money coming off the type of raw numbers season it's looking like he's going to finish with.
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I was thinking 5M x 4-6 as well. Takes him to an age where if he is putting up good numbers he can sign another big money deal.

Yea if we can lock Rielly up for 8 years at around 5 million i'd be all for it. I don't think he'll do it though. I think he'll be confident enough to sign a short term deal and than cash in huge in a couple years. Similar to Subban. I hope we can get him inked long term before that though.
 
Leafin' said:
I was thinking 5M x 4-6 as well. Takes him to an age where if he is putting up good numbers he can sign another big money deal.

Yea if we can lock Rielly up for 8 years at around 5 million i'd be all for it. I don't think he'll do it though. I think he'll be confident enough to sign a short term deal and than cash in huge in a couple years. Similar to Subban. I hope we can get him inked long term before that though.
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I'm not sure...have we ever seen a player in Rielly's situation make a point of asking for a short-term deal?

It seems like whenever a bridge contract happens, it's at the team's request. And that does make some sense. Even if you are confident in your abilities as a player, it's pretty hard to turn down long-term security in a profession where your earning potential can go into the toilet in a blink of an eye.
 
Leafin' said:
I was thinking 5M x 4-6 as well. Takes him to an age where if he is putting up good numbers he can sign another big money deal.

Yea if we can lock Rielly up for 8 years at around 5 million i'd be all for it. I don't think he'll do it though. I think he'll be confident enough to sign a short term deal and than cash in huge in a couple years. Similar to Subban. I hope we can get him inked long term before that though.
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I was thinking more along the lines of 6-6.5M. Basically take what you would expect his last RFA years to be worth, what today's UFA rate for him would be if he was one (7.5?), smash it all together and divide by 8.

Basically what Ottawa did with Karlsson, except as good as Rielly is, he'll likely never have the counting stats Karlsson had to drive up his price at the time.
 
$5.5M or less for both Rielly and Kadri long term.

Kadri has had more time in the league, but is coming off down years and doesn't have the numbers this year despite the good play.

Rielly has probably seen his numbers depressed a bit due to playing for some bad teams, and having few scorers around this year, but is also just starting out.

Not sure either can reasonably command more, and doubt that either would want to leave $30M+ on the table in order to hold out for $5M more.
 
Rielly doesn't need to command more...but he's not letting you eat up UFA years at 5.5M or less, and that's too much money to spend if you're not eating up UFA years. We have 4 more years of control with Rielly....if you're not going to pay him to get him on a contract for 8 years (which is going to cost closer to 6.5 imo), then you're short terming him for 2 years at ~3.5M and taking another run at a 8 yr extension later....but if he has 2 more years of growth after this, expect a PK Subbanesque contract to be needed to get him signed long term.
 
Kadri is fast losing his leverage. After this year, that's basically 3 straight years as a 50-point player since his big lockout year. Is that the sort of player you want to guarantee 5M+ for for a long term deal? I have a hard time pegging his value.

Rielly has pedigree, and if he ends the year as a 40-point D, could certainly look to cash in on coin. I can see him sign for anywhere between 4.5M and say 7M on a deal between 4 and 8 years. 5.5M on a 5-6 year deal for him is likely a reasonable compromise - I doubt he would want to lock in for a longer deal for less than that, and guaranteeing 7M for 8 years to a D who hasn't quite broken out yet is a very risky proposition.
 
There was talk they were interested last year and how he may be a good fit but nothing concrete from a legit source
 
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• The Fourth Period: Dallas Stars sent scouts to Saturday's Toronto Maple Leafs V.S. Montreal Canadiens Game.

Reportedly, Per TFP sources, the Dallas Stars are Very Interested in TOR - Dion Phaneuf. DAL are looking to add a Top 4 Defenseman before the Deadline, and with prior interest in Phaneuf last year, it is possible Dion could be rocking the Green soon.

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Anyone who thinks Dion is not a top 4 dman in this league is either ridiculous and /or is delusional.

His points production, his minutes, his advanced stats all show he is clearly a top 4 defenseman, that much is crystal clear.

It doesn't mean he'll get traded though, because the problem with Dion is he's a top 4 dman making top dman $$. If Toronto is to eat big chunk of his contract then maybe he can be moved, but then again it's not like we have top dman prospect coming through the system to take away Dion's minutes, so if we're to take the cap hit and not have the player, why bother?
 
UWHabs said:
Kadri is fast losing his leverage. After this year, that's basically 3 straight years as a 50-point player since his big lockout year. Is that the sort of player you want to guarantee 5M+ for for a long term deal? I have a hard time pegging his value.
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Depends on how you feel about fancy stats. They love him, and the eye test suggests that he 1) pumps a lot of shots on net and generates a lot of chances 2) Has at least a league average shot & 3) Has the hands and vision of a point producer. Would I pay 7M to him in the hopes that he becomes the 65-70 point centre it looks like he can be? No, for reasons you've just brought up. We've only seen it once, in a lock out shortened season....but long term in the 5M dollar range? Fancy stats say that he's worth that now as a 50 point centre.

Rielly has pedigree, and if he ends the year as a 40-point D, could certainly look to cash in on coin. I can see him sign for anywhere between 4.5M and say 7M on a deal between 4 and 8 years. 5.5M on a 5-6 year deal for him is likely a reasonable compromise - I doubt he would want to lock in for a longer deal for less than that, and guaranteeing 7M for 8 years to a D who hasn't quite broken out yet is a very risky proposition.
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A lot of these guys are willing to cash in on big guaranteed money coming out of their ELC. I don't think he'd have a problem with 8 yrs if the money was right (~6.5)...it would leave him in a position to command another big ass deal at about the perfect age. There's almost no reason for the Leafs to sign Rielly to a 5 yr deal unless it's fairly cheap...we can hold him over the RFA coals if we wanted to go that way with it. There's not a ton of benefit in us paying him more now, only to snag 1-2 years of UFA service at ~2-2.25M under market value if we're paying him 2-2.5M over RFA market value for the 4 years of cheap control we have.
 
JohnnyHolmes said:
"Dion Phaneuf" and "top four defenseman" without the word "not" in between them was the only clue you needed.
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