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LeafGm

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I understand the logic behind it, because all the parties desperately need Quebec's votes...but it's beyond spineless and cowardly that none of the major party leaders have spoken out forcefully against Quebec's embarrassing legalization of racial & religious discrimination.
 

UWHabs

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I understand the logic behind it, because all the parties desperately need Quebec's votes...but it's beyond spineless and cowardly that none of the major party leaders have spoken out forcefully against Quebec's embarrassing legalization of racial & religious discrimination.
Yeah, Quebec is just too strong of a bloc. Libs and Con win/majority need to run through Quebec, while the NDP obviously would love to get back to relevance there. Although really, given what they're polling in the province, the NDP really should abandon ship, come out really hard against the overt racism there, and force the Libs to take a stand. It might gain them enough respect in the rest of the country to move up a little, and they really don't have a lot to lose in Quebec.
 

Altair

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Yeah, Quebec is just too strong of a bloc. Libs and Con win/majority need to run through Quebec, while the NDP obviously would love to get back to relevance there. Although really, given what they're polling in the province, the NDP really should abandon ship, come out really hard against the overt racism there, and force the Libs to take a stand. It might gain them enough respect in the rest of the country to move up a little, and they really don't have a lot to lose in Quebec.
Except, of course, bill 21 has something like 40 percent support in the rest of canada.
 

Altair

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I am amused to see everyone rally to the defense of religious minorities with such vigor, while for 40-50 years Quebec premiers and politicians have been taking a shit on English Quebecers with the goal to making living in quebec so miserable and drive them out of the province to dilute their political, financial and social clout.

The same tried and true strategy that drove hundreds of thousands of English speaking Quebecers out of Quebec to make it more French is simply shifting to racial/religious minorities in order to make quebec more secular and white and that's where people start to make some noise.

Cute.
 

BeLeafer

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I am amused to see everyone rally to the defense of religious minorities with such vigor, while for 40-50 years Quebec premiers and politicians have been taking a shit on English Quebecers with the goal to making living in quebec so miserable and drive them out of the province to dilute their political, financial and social clout.

The same tried and true strategy that drove hundreds of thousands of English speaking Quebecers out of Quebec to make it more French is simply shifting to racial/religious minorities in order to make quebec more secular and white and that's where people start to make some noise.

Cute.
It's standard ethnic nationalism.

As for the pity party, everyone likes to be victim these days but the English had a very long history of shitting on the French in Quebec before the PQ gained power.
 

Altair

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It's standard ethnic nationalism.

As for the pity party, everyone likes to be victim these days but the English had a very long history of shitting on the French in Quebec before the PQ gained power.
No pity party.

Like I said, I find it amusing.

And youre right, english canada shit on the french. The proper response to this, of course, is to level the playing field, not tilt it ridiculously in favor of french quebecers.

Unless of course the goal is to get english quebec to move out, in which case mission accomplished.

Parizeau didn't hide it it 95 when they lost the referendum. It was lost because of the money and ethnic vote.

English Quebec represented the money, they're gone now for the most part.

Now its time for the ethnic vote.

And Canada has let them do it for 50 years, and make no mistake, they will let them do it now. Nobody is risking pissing off 25 percent of the electorate in Canadas most volatile province for a few muslins, Jews and Sikhs.

Don't think it ends here either. There are already rumblings about expanding the law once the heat about this turns down a bit and people come to accept it. Next target is kids in school. In all public schools kids will no longer be allowed outward symbols of religion, mark it. For secularism.

And Canada won't do a thing about it then either. And watch, in a generation or two, you will have second or third generation kids of Sikhs Muslims and Jews who are perfectly secular and assimilated into quebec society or they will have left quebec for vancouver, calgary or toronto.

Its only a matter of time.
 

BeLeafer

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Yeah, I don't agree with what the PQ has done (spent most of my youth in an Anglo part of Quebec). They were definitely trying to drive them out. Banning the language was fairly extreme. It's just different from the anti-immigrant stuff in that they had a legitimate grievance with the English. The anti-immigrant/religious grab stuff just smacks of racism.
 

Altair

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Yeah, I don't agree with what the PQ has done (spent most of my youth in an Anglo part of Quebec). They were definitely trying to drive them out. Banning the language was fairly extreme. It's just different from the anti-immigrant stuff in that they had a legitimate grievance with the English. The anti-immigrant/religious grab stuff just smacks of racism.
Racist, xenophobic, sure.

It all stems from the same thing though. They felt the english were a threat to their culture, their business and their way of life.

They feel the accomidations given to immigrants is a threat to their way of life now, and are acting to squash it.

Quebec will be happy once they are pretty much all french, the english are all bilingual and marginalized, and the religious minorities are french, outwardly secular and maybe religious behind closed doors. That and any law effecting them originating in Ottawa is completely ignored, blatantly rejected, or squashed with the notwithstanding clause.

China has one country, two systems. Canada, in effect, has that as well.
 

Altair

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For the first time since January, the liberals are ahead of the conservatives in the poll tracker.

Nanos has the LPC at 36, CPC at 33 and the NDP at 16 with the GRN at 9.

This might be the result of Scheer getting destroyed in the french debates.
 
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MindzEye

Wayward Ditch Pig
The more that canadians see scheer, the less they like him.

Hes a fucking weiner. He makes Trudeau look like a young Winston Churchill.
 

MindzEye

Wayward Ditch Pig
He was quite old by that time. Previously, he was a bit of laughing stock for the way he managed things in the first war and his somewhat extremist views.
Yeah I'm familiar with the disaster at gallipoli (among other **** ups). In fairness to his general hawkishness, he ended up being right about that twat in Germany so his story spins a hell of a redemption arc when all is considered.

Looking for moral guidance in history books is a dangerous game, especially in the churchill section. But if you're looking for leaders who can get your through a proper scrap on the winning side of it, churchill was about as good as it gets and we kind of fucking needed that at the time.
 

BeLeafer

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It wasn't just Gallipoli. He had a few other military disasters prior to becoming PM.

Here's one of Churchill's more infamous quotes (1937):
I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly-wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.’
More gory details here:
 

MindzEye

Wayward Ditch Pig
I know it was just gallipoli, but that was his most famous. He was generally bloodthirsty, you re not going to get a counter argument from me on that. But was he the right bloodthirsty colonialist at the right time for Britain? 100%. Should that weigh heavily on the general opinion of his legacy? Also yeah. I mean, if Jeffrey dahmer had stopped one ofthe 9/11 hijackers, where does it go in his life story?
 
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