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OT: American Politics

LeafGm

Well-known member
Same could be said of protesters standing by watching looters. It's not so cut and dry. Good people get put into terrible positions when things are this nuts.

I get what you're saying, but I have to wholly reject this comparison.

Joe Blow protester in the street not putting themselves in harm's way to physically stop violent protestors and/or looters is in no way equivalent to someone who's sworn & paid to uphold the law standing idly by while one of their fellow officers hurls a non-violent 75 year old to the ground & cracks his head open on the pavement. Same goes for every one of those officers who witnessed what happened, and didn't say "boo" when the official report was written up as "he stumbled and fell".

I appreciate that it'd be hard to go against the grain when it comes to your fellow officers, and even harder when it comes to your superiors. But that's a fundamental part of your job description. And there sure aren't a lot of jobs out there where you'd be employed for long if you declined to perform the basic reason for your employment because it's too hard.
 

Tryamw

Well-known member

This is what (can) happen to some good cops that try to do the "right" thing..
Looters should be found and charged.. so should the cops that take 10 people to taze (most) a protester on the ground.
Lots of charges should be happening.. Doesn't Excuse the Police acting as the THUGS they seem to believe the protesters are..
 

Habspatrol

ADMINuteman
Staff member
Thing is, if you’re a “good cop” who stands idly by and doesn’t do anything about the “bad cops”, or even worse, you cover for their behaviour, you’re not actually a “good cop”.
Yeah, that was what part of what I was getting at.
 

Habspatrol

ADMINuteman
Staff member
Same could be said of protesters standing by watching looters. It's not so cut and dry. Good people get put into terrible positions when things are this nuts.
Kind of. I've seen a bunch of footage of protesters trying to stop vandals/looters... but in general I'm not sure it's their duty to enforce the law. I can go out and peacefully protest, but I'm not risking my life to stop others from breaking the law.

Cops on the other hand, are committed to upholding the law. So when they see other cops breaking the law, they are obligated to step in.

That said, I don't disagree with your sentiment.
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
Yes I understand the onus is on the cops as they are paid to do this clearly. I'm referring to the good vs bad aspect of it as it's not so cut and dry when you have thousands in close proximity and agitated. Same goes for protesters, they may feel threatened and attack a cop out of fear. Shit happens so quickly, I just think this needs consideration.
 

leafman101

Well-known member
The exact problem here is that cops are not trained, or just don't, act calmly and with reasonable force in these high stress situation. I mean that should be expected of untrained civilian protesters, but cops kind of have to make good calls, in difficult situations. Thats the job. If you can't hack it you shouldn't have the badge. Bad cop doesn't just mean bad person.

It seems like we are seeing way too many of them just can't handle these high pressure/high risk situations. They may be very nice people, but just not cut out for this work.
 

LeafGm

Well-known member
The exact problem here is that cops are not trained, or just don't, act calmly and with reasonable force in these high stress situation. I mean that should be expected of untrained civilian protesters, but cops kind of have to make good calls, in difficult situations. Thats the job. If you can't hack it you shouldn't have the badge. Bad cop doesn't just mean bad person.

It seems like we are seeing way too many of them just can't handle these high pressure/high risk situations. They may be very nice people, but just not cut out for this work.

If you're not able to run into a burning building, you shouldn't be a firefighter.

If you're not able or willing to face getting shot at or blown up, you shouldn't be a soldier.

If you're terrified of heights, you probably shouldn't be a roofer, high-rise steel worker or a sky-dive instructor.

And yeah, if you're not able or willing to avoid committing violent felonies when in high-stress situations, and/or if you're not willing to equally enforce the law with respect to your buddies/co-workers and members of the public, you shouldn't be a cop.

I don't really understand why we should be setting the bar so low for cops. There are plenty of high-stress jobs out there where lives are on the line and there's little-to-no-margin for error. Do your fucking job, or find another one.
 

Tryamw

Well-known member

Also this is beyond stupid. A cop needs to be EXPLICITLY told that stealing is illegal or else they can't be held liable.. and since you can't bring the case they can't be explicitly told...

Imagine ANYONE else in America trying the I didn't know it was wrong to take that X. Ignorance of the law (by cops) should NEVER be a valid excuse..
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
The exact problem here is that cops are not trained, or just don't, act calmly and with reasonable force in these high stress situation. I mean that should be expected of untrained civilian protesters, but cops kind of have to make good calls, in difficult situations. Thats the job. If you can't hack it you shouldn't have the badge. Bad cop doesn't just mean bad person.

It seems like we are seeing way too many of them just can't handle these high pressure/high risk situations. They may be very nice people, but just not cut out for this work.
The quality of cops has steadily declined because people just don't want to put up with the shit a cop has do deal with for the money they offer. You don't get quality applicants anymore, or at least not as many.

Due to this I definitely agree, it's all in the training. Don't push bodies through the academy, set the proper standards and fail as many as you need to instead of looking for warm bodies.
 

Habsy

Wrong Thinker Extraordinaire
I don't really understand why we should be setting the bar so low for cops. There are plenty of high-stress jobs out there where lives are on the line and there's little-to-no-margin for error. Do your fucking job, or find another one.
Look at my last post. That's why the bar is set low. Applicants have dropped through the floor over the same time 15 years ago.
 
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