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The New Division

theREALkoreaboy said:
I think the last thing that will happen in our entire division is a collapse of the sens goaltending. I worry about a lot of things, our goaltending is probably the last thing I worry about. We have a goalie in his prime playing fantastic hockey for three years now. Behind him we have a young, huge, technically sound goalie who might be even better.
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I don't think you people grasp just how large a gap between "fantastic" is, and what you received last year is.

If as a team you post a .920% next year, that's 50 goals against more over an 82 game schedule than a .940% team would give up, and make no mistake, .920 is fantastic. Just on returning to the mean in net, the Sens have a lot of goals to make up just to be where they were last year. Karlsson should be good for 20-24GC, Spezza good for about the same, Ryan for about 15-17GC. Now subtract the 30-35GC or so that they're replacing from the players who handled their roles last year and you're still looking at being a 2013 bubble team that is down about 15 goals off of their projected 82 game 2012/13 differential.

That's if you get top 5 goaltending.

Better pray that Anderson/Lehner are .930+
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
You know that part of the reason our goalie was .936-.941 was our defence, right?
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Every mathematical analysis concerning SV% has come back with the same conclusion, shot totals even out in quality over a significant enough sample size.

So you have a choice, if you care about being correct. You can either suggest that Anderson/Lehner simply played that good last year, or that the sample size was too small. There's no other answer that the data agrees with.
 
A jack Adams-winning coach thought he wasn't good enough for much of the season to even dress him over the likes of some of the scrubs you guys have back there. Yes, he had a very nice playoff, but please don't try to tell me he's better than mark methot, who played outstanding hockey all last year to the tune of being invited to Canada's Olympic camp.
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
A jack Adams-winning coach thought he wasn't good enough for much of the season to even dress him over the likes of some of the scrubs you guys have back there. Yes, he had a very nice playoff, but please don't try to tell me he's better than mark methot, who played outstanding hockey all last year to the tune of being invited to Canada's Olympic camp.
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You know he had a concussion, right, and he was tentative as **** when he came back. I disagree with how he was handled, he was clearly ready to play by the last ~15 games of the season. He showed how silly it was by dominating every time he was on the ice against the Bruins.

You act like he was a healthy scratch or something.
 
JohnnyHolmes said:
Methot is good. He's pretty solid. He's not there to put up points, though his numbers will go up if he's paired with Karlsson.

I actually think our D is pretty suspect. Phillips is declining, wiercioch is pretty raw. I actually liked what I saw from Gryba.

Lots of things you could pick apart about the Ottawa D. Cowen is the least of our problems back there. He looks pretty good to me though.
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Thank you for providing an honest appraisal. Having EK out there for 27-28 minutes per game should certainly off-set the glaring lack of depth and mobility behind him though.

Ceci will really provide a benefit to Ottawa's blue-line once he's NHL-ready in any event: he's exactly the type of offensive, slick-skating defender that you lack on the other two pairings.
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
No, I said I think Lehner will ultimately be better than Schneider. You're the lunatic who threw hasek into the mix.
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Schneider has posted virtually identical performances to Hasek to date save percentage-wise. For you to make that ludicrous suggestion, Lehner would have to be a .940 goaltender.

So do you consider Robin Lehner a potential candidate for most dominant goalie ever, or not? Own up to your assertion.
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree strongly. Cowen is already showing signs of being an elite shutdown defenceman, with some offence as well.
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It's a shame that he's not playing in the Dead Puck Era NHL circa 2002-03. He could have been a poor man's Hatcher back when such players actually had value to off-set their glaring lack of mobility and puck-handling skills.
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
And I didn't say that Lehner is better than Schneider. I've said that I think it's entirely plausible that within two years, we will all say that. Lehner is already excellent, and he shows signs of being a stud, elite no.1 goalie. I think Lehner has a very good chance to be a star in this league.
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Dude... yes you did. You said that he was "clearly better."
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
A jack Adams-winning coach thought he wasn't good enough for much of the season to even dress him over the likes of some of the scrubs you guys have back there. Yes, he had a very nice playoff, but please don't try to tell me he's better than mark methot, who played outstanding hockey all last year to the tune of being invited to Canada's Olympic camp.
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You're given a choice between Robyn Regehr or Mike Green. Which player do you take? One of those names has never represented Canada at an Olympic competition. One has.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Thank you for providing an honest appraisal. Having EK out there for 27-28 minutes per game should certainly off-set the glaring lack of depth and mobility behind him though.

Ceci will really provide a benefit to Ottawa's blue-line once he's NHL-ready in any event: he's exactly the type of offensive, slick-skating defender that you lack on the other two pairings.
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Joe Corvo and wiercioch say hi.
 
Jake Gardiner is now officially the most overrated Leaf in the history of this forum and with the ridiculous homers that populate this location, that is a MASSIVE accomplishment.
 
Wiercioch isn't a great skater and he's a glorified power play specialist at this point. Corvo is 36 years old and completely nightmarish in his own end.

You can't reliably play either of them for large stretches on even strength or on the penalty kill at this point.
 
SENSible said:
Jake Gardiner is now officially the most overrated Leaf in the history of this forum and with the ridiculous homers that populate this location, that is a MASSIVE accomplishment.
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Says the fanbase that promoted Karel Rachunek as a potential future Norris candidate at one point in time...
 
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