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The ****ing Season thread, 2015/16 Edition

PKForce81 said:
Sure and so there's a good chance he'll get better but Kapanen is 19 and if his talent level was anywhere near Nylander's he would have made it to the NHL before Willy because he does all the other things much better(backchecks hard, wins board battles, etc). Making it difficult for others to play against you should be on every players' mind and this is especially true when you make it to the NHL.
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I don't think that's really true. Kapanen's had a great game yesterday---better than Nylander's---but consistency and compete level's been a much bigger issue for Kapanen this season than it's been for Nylander.

It's part of what makes Kapanen a bit frustrating at times (and that's when you have to remind yourself that he's only 19). He looks like a tenacious world-beater some nights, but then completely disappears for long stretches. That was apparently the case in the Finnish Liiga, and that's how this year played out for him in the AHL too.
 
Metalleaf said:
Nylander had some bad moments last night, but like Mindz said, he played well when it mattered and in the dying moments of a tie game.
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This is just it....so he was challenged by his coach, then played his best hockey of the series (despite it being not the best hockey he's capable of) when the team needed it most and helped generate the winning goal. We're all ****ing around with such small sample sizes at this point though. If he struggles through the rest of the playoffs, maybe the criticizing side has a point (though not the one that numb nuts was trying to make), and if he kicks it into gear the way he's capable of against Hershey, maybe we have a point. But, one thing we know from last night is that the idea of him disappearing in big games as some sort of habit due to an inherent flaw is dumb as shit, because he had every excuse to disappear last night in the biggest game of his professional career, against a hack and chop, clutch and grab team of goons and he played his best hockey of the series when the team needed him most.

Kapanen has ice in his veins, a la Justin Williams. He's developed a knack for scoring big goals.
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Yeah, Kappy is going to be a really nice player for us. 25/25+ 2 way winger imo.
 
LeafGm said:
I don't think that's really true. Kapanen's had a great game yesterday---better than Nylander's---but consistency and compete level's been a much bigger issue for Kapanen this season than it's been for Nylander.

It's part of what makes Kapanen a bit frustrating at times (and that's when you have to remind yourself that he's only 19). He looks like a tenacious world-beater some nights, but then completely disappears for long stretches. That was apparently the case in the Finnish Liiga, and that's how this year played out for him in the AHL too.
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I can only speak from roughly a dozen or so games i've seen the Marlies play this season. To me, there may have been 1-2 where he didn't look that engaging..Plus there's consistency in work ethic and consistency in terms of looking dangerous every night(you can have 1 often without the other..so he doesn't always look dangerous that's true). I also never saw an interview where Keefe spoke about Kapanen's poor work ethic yet we have multiple ones about Nylander so i don't know why that is but again i think Kapanen's big issue is that even when he creates, he ****s up too many of those because he doesn't have the shot Willy does and so can't put up many points. But anyways, i'm not too worried about either guy simply because we have a coach to get most out of both and they'll both be important players for us.
 
It sounds to me like Keefe is simply saying that Nylander needs to be more more consistent in his effort which has to be the 35788533th time a coach has said this about a young player. Not that he has a poor work ethic overall.
 
I suppose I'd also be extremely bitter towards a top three NHL prospect like Nylander if my team had had the opportunity to draft him, but instead chose to pass on a superior talent in favour of future fourth-liner Jake Virtanen.
 
Volcanologist said:
Oh he's a cannotfan?? that explains the persistent Hodorism and trolling.
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It does explain his attitude towards Nylander. You have to convince yourself that Nylander is shit when you passed on him to pick Virtanen, just to attempt to maintain sanity. If Jets fans had access to the internet, he'd probably be bad mouthing Ehlers to them too.
 
hockeylover said:
It sounds to me like Keefe is simply saying that Nylander needs to be more more consistent in his effort which has to be the 35788533th time a coach has said this about a young player. Not that he has a poor work ethic overall.
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Isn't that Keefe is mentioning Nylander's inconsistency the issue, I think he's questioning his work ethic consistency, he would accept lack of predictable production so long as the effort was there.
 
Do you guys really see anything particularly alarming about a coach talking about needing a more consistent effort from a skilled young player making the jump to pros? Seems like pretty standard stuff to me.
 
hockeylover said:
more consistent in his effort
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hobarth said:
work ethic consistency
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I have few worries that Nylander will work his way through this - he's shown a very professional attitude about his personal health and training, has a father with many games of NHL play-off experience to lean on. As for Keefe, he's just doing his job - keeping guys accountable and lifting them if they start to drag their asses a bit.

Nylander has played a lot of hockey this year - and the toughest games are at the end. It's a good lesson.
 
Its just bad habits of a young player. Babcock said it best. Nylander is used to being able to get the puck back easy. You have to work harder to get it back in the pros.

They have never questioned his work ethic though. He is one of the hardest workers on the Marlies, one of the last guys off the ice at practice. He stays every day to work on his shot. He's always in the weight room. His work ethic has been praised. Like I said, its just bad habits on the ice.
 
It's just been a long, long year.

AHL, WJC, NHL, and then back to the AHL, with seemingly a long playoff run in the cards.

And a nasty concussion in the middle of all that.

If there's any problem, it's that the kid is maybe a bit tired.
 
MindzEye said:
It does explain his attitude towards Nylander. You have to convince yourself that Nylander is shit when you passed on him to pick Virtanen, just to attempt to maintain sanity. If Jets fans had access to the internet, he'd probably be bad mouthing Ehlers to them too.
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lol
 
hockeylover said:
Do you guys really see anything particularly alarming about a coach talking about needing a more consistent effort from a skilled young player making the jump to pros? Seems like pretty standard stuff to me.
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We've seen a player who has been consistently superior offensively be considered a cancer/a coach killer so I would say that being alarmed about one of TO's top potential players is justified. I would think that high engine players are born not molded/developed, Kessel is/was what he is/was no matter who coached him.

I would say what we want is players that want to be involved for the entire 45 seconds they are on the ice.
 
MindzEye said:
Comparing Nylanders work ethic with kessels is potato level analysis
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I would think that a player who wants to be a NHLer hustles all the time, never takes a shift off, pure production is great but I think we don't want another Kessel, no matter how young. Age is not a get out of jail free, effort is.
 
hobarth said:
We've seen a player who has been consistently superior offensively be considered a cancer/a coach killer so I would say that being alarmed about one of TO's top potential players is justified. I would think that high engine players are born not molded/developed, Kessel is/was what he is/was no matter who coached him.

I would say what we want is players that want to be involved for the entire 45 seconds they are on the ice.
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Only by morons and agenda-driven media rats.

By the way lazy cancer Kessel has 15 points in 13 games at the toughest time of year. What a piece of shit.
 
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