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OT: The News Thread

I don't get it.

Are people trying to say that greater montreal and the ottawa region aren't liberal strongholds in comparison to Toronto?
 
Altair said:
I don't get it.

Are people trying to say that greater montreal and the ottawa region aren't liberal strongholds in comparison to Toronto?
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No.

HL made an off-hand observation about the fact that Leaf fans on this board overwhelmingly skew to the left, and Sens/Hab fans on this board overwhelmingly skew to the right, while drawing no larger conclusions whatsoever about the cities that those teams are based in, or those fanbases as a whole.

And CTheBigPicture is arguing about the hows and whys of most average Torontonians not being susceptible to Trump-style race-baiting, while making no mention of Montreal & Ottawa.

That's about it, as far as I can see.
 
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CTheBigPicture said:
Yes this one. Sorry
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Trudeau isn't your friend.

At least 236 people have been served notice of Canadian citizenship revocation since the Liberals came into federal office — a dramatic increase over previous years that is the result of Harper-era legislation, according to Canada’s immigration department.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ian-citizenship-revoked-since-trudeau-elected
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And I'm disheartened to hear that you think this is an injustice.

The leader of an al-Qaida-inspired plot to explode truck bombs in downtown Toronto during the morning rush hour will have his Canadian citizenship reinstated under legislation introduced by the Liberals on Thursday.

The proposed law tabled in the House of Commons, Bill C-6, contains a provision that would restore the citizenship of any convicted terrorists who lost it as a result of changes brought in by the previous Conservative government.

Effectively, the bill means the Liberals will be returning citizenship to Zakaria Amara, ringleader of the Toronto 18 terror group, which planned al-Qaida-style violence in southern Ontario to push Canada to abandon Afghanistan.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...-under-new-legislation-introduced-by-liberals
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I consider myself lucky to know a few immigrants who hold the exact opposite opinion. That being they believe that citizenship is so special and such an honor that anyone who does something that egregious doesn't deserve it.
 
Though one thing I'd inject into the argument CTheBigPicture is making is that 34% of voters in Toronto's last mayoral election voted for Doug Ford.

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of those voters probably also have at least a favourable view of Trump & his anti-immigrant/refugee rhetoric.
 
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HL made an off-hand observation about the fact that Leaf fans on this board overwhelmingly skew to the left, and Sens/Hab fans on this board overwhelmingly skew to the right, while drawing no larger conclusions whatsoever about the cities that those teams are based in, or those fanbases as a whole.
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I initially thought that she was attempting to make some bizarre point.

But if she wasn't then thats my bad.
 
LeafGm said:
Though one thing I'd inject into the argument CTheBigPicture is making is that 34% of voters in Toronto's last mayoral election voted for Doug Ford.

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of those voters probably also have at least a favourable view of Trump.
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That's a super good point - and kind of what I was trying to get at.

The surrounding Toronto suburbs are have large pockets of non-white communities - and we saw almost all of them fall decisively to a hard right candidate in Ford.
 
corksens said:
Trudeau isn't your friend.



And I'm disheartened to hear that you think this is an injustice.




I consider myself lucky to know a few immigrants who hold the exact opposite opinion. That being they believe that citizenship is so special and such an honor that anyone who does something that egregious doesn't deserve it.
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Then take it away from non immigrants too. Send them the moon.

Sorry if you grant me a citizenship, then you also grant me the right to rot in Canadian jails. This creates a second class of citizens. 100 years from now things may change and a crazy failed businessman may rise from a TV show to the PM office and may decide immigrants should leave untill we "see what the hell is going on".

Canadian terrorists belong in Canadian jails.

PS current government has promised to remove this very Republican sounding law. Goal is by Canada day. We'll see:

http://www.immigration.ca/liberals-aim-scrap-second-class-citizen-bill-canada-day/
 
CTheBigPicture said:
Then take it away from non immigrants too. Send them the moon.

Sorry if you grant me a citizenship, then you also grant me the right to rot in Canadian jails. This creates a second class of citizens. 100 years from now things may change and a crazy failed businessman may rise from a TV show to the PM office and may decide immigrants should leave untill we "see what the hell is going on".

Canadian terrorists belong in Canadian jails.

PS current government has promised to remove this very Republican sounding law. Goal is by Canada day. We'll see:

http://www.immigration.ca/liberals-aim-scrap-second-class-citizen-bill-canada-day/
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+100
 
LeafGm said:
Though one thing I'd inject into the argument CTheBigPicture is making is that 34% of voters in Toronto's last mayoral election voted for Doug Ford.

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of those voters probably also have at least a favourable view of Trump & his anti-immigrant/refugee rhetoric.
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I know many who voted Ford because of David Miller, the garbage strike, etc. You aren't automatically a Trump supporter if you vote right wing at some point.
 
corksens said:
That's a super good point - and kind of what I was trying to get at.

The surrounding Toronto suburbs are have large pockets of non-white communities - and we saw almost all of them fall decisively to a hard right candidate in Ford.
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He branded anyone who lived south of Eglington and between the 427 and DVP as the champagne socialist elite, and it worked. He claimed the city was incredibly wasteful with money (which turned out to be hilariously wrong when KPMG audited), and they bought it.

I wouldn't take that as huge support for right wing ideals in these immigrants neighbourhoods. They bought blowhard populism from a lovable fat guy.
 
CTheBigPicture said:
Then take it away from non immigrants too. Send them the moon.

Sorry if you grant me a citizenship, then you also grant me the right to rot in Canadian jails. This creates a second class of citizens. 100 years from now things may change and a crazy failed businessman may rise from a TV show to the PM office and may decide immigrants should leave u till we "see what the hell is going on".

Canadian terrorists belong in Canadian jails.
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We've veered into Canadian Politics territory, but yeah, that debate is the one that on first glance seems obvious, but when you dig into it doesn't make any sense. If you're guilty of a terrorist act, you're going to get thrown in jail for the rest of your life anyways. And really, if I commit a terrorist act, why should my punishment be different than you, just because I happen to only have Canadian citizenship while you have some other fallback option? No, I don't want the "Toronto 18" enjoying the perks of Canadian life, but I'm pretty sure they'll still be denied a passport if they tried to apply for one, so I don't think the citizenship would really give them a lot anyways.
 
LeafGm said:
No.

HL made an off-hand observation about the fact that Leaf fans on this board overwhelmingly skew to the left, and Sens/Hab fans on this board overwhelmingly skew to the right, while drawing no larger conclusions whatsoever about the cities that those teams are based in, or those fanbases as a whole.

And CTheBigPicture is arguing about the hows and whys of most average Torontonians not being susceptible to Trump-style race-baiting, while making no mention of Montreal & Ottawa.

That's about it, as far as I can see.
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Do Habs fans skew to the right. I mean sure Habsy, Predateurs87, and northernlou skew right, but i'm not sure thats the overwhelming opinion of Habs fans on this board... just three pretty vocal guys.

I'd argue that Leafovich is pretty right wing in his views.
 
BKerr said:
Do Habs fans skew to the right. I mean sure Habsy, Predateurs87, and northernlou skew right, but i'm not sure thats the overwhelming opinion of Habs fans on this board... just three pretty vocal guys.

I'd argue that Leafovich is pretty right wing in his views.
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I think it is just saying that of the hardcore right wingers you have like 4 total (2 sens, 1 habs fan, 1 preds fan)
 
worm said:
I think it is just saying that of the hardcore right wingers you have like 4 total (2 sens, 1 habs fan, 1 preds fan)
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Does a guy who supported Justin Trudeau and has never voted conservative in his life ( although I flirted with the block in 2008) count as hardcore right wing?
 
Altair said:
Does a guy who supported Justin Trudeau and has never voted conservative in his life ( although I flirted with the block in 2008) count as hardcore right wing?
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Is this the Habsy, but I didn't vote for Trump, I voted Gary Johnson defence?
 
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