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I admire the optimism of anyone who thinks this is enough to derail the coming majority PC victory.

But unfortunately, I still don't this will do it.

"Ford Nation" types will probably deride Rob's widow as an ungrateful, disloyal, drug-addicted gold-digger (which is the essentially the story Matriarch Ford is peddling in her statement to the media). Regular PC voters will probably still hold their noses & vote PC in large enough numbers, since they desperately want the Liberals out and are flat-out terrified of 15 years of Liberal rule being followed by a return to NDP government in Ontario.

And then the NDP really has seemed to hit their ceiling. The Liberal vote has almost completely collapsed, the PC's have the most awful, polarizing leader possible, and they're still not really anywhere close to even denying the PC's a majority, let alone stopping them from winning the most seats.

This.

Sadly.

And I honestly attest this to the NDP having run a bad campaign.

They needed to be out there banging one message into the heads of liberal voters over and over again.

Its us or ford.

But they have been going on about their platform like ontarians give a shit.
 
Singh would probably win this in a walk, Horwath is a dud.

Of course, Christine Elliot would have won easily too, but the OPC memebership can’t stop hammering on the self-destruct button. It really shouldn’t be this close.

Anyway, Ford may well win, but it’s likely gonna be a one-term shit show. Dollars to doughnuts he’s pushed out in a scandal of some kind.
 
A good summary of the statement of claim from Rob Ford's widow via @eadydon on twitter:


The claim alleges (not proven in Court etc) that Doug Ford suggested to Rob Ford's widow, Renata, that they resolve estate matters without lawyers. Always the first clue something is amiss.

The claim goes on to accuse Doug Ford of failing to distribute the property of Rob Ford's estate. Rob Ford has been dead for over two years. The claim also alleges that Doug Ford has not "passed the accounts" ( which means have the estate accounts approved by a court).

While you don't always have to get the estate accounts approved by the court, it is required where there are minor beneficiaries which there are in this case (Rob's kids). Doug also agreed in October 2016 to provide complete information to Ford's widow re Rob Ford's estate.

Doug, as Rob's estate trustee, is then alleged to have sold Rob's 200 Deco shares to Randy (the other brother) for a dollar. Doug and Randy then reorganized the Deco companies so that Rob's estate had no further interest in the Deco companies.

The claim further alleges that Doug and Randy then mismanaged the affairs of the Deco companies. So much for Doug's reputation as a great businessman! The claim alleges Deco Toronto lost millions of dollars since 2010.

The claim says Doug's compensation and perks were "extravagant" and that Doug had neither the education or experience to justify employment as a senior officer of the Deco companies. The claim says that Doug continued to draw extravagant compensation when he was a politician.

The claim alleges that Doug and Randy destroyed the value of the Deco companies and grossly overcompensated themselves. They hired friends and family members who weren't qualified. They failed to operate the businesses which maintained costs and expenses commensurate with revenue.

Doug dismissed competent employees and caused the businesses to pay for Doug and Randy's personal expenses. In order to maintain the solvency of the Deco companies the claim alleges they arranged for infusions of funds from their father's estate.

The claim asserts that the father's estate was worth between 15 and 20 million in 2007 but by august 2014 was worth 6.4 million and now its alleged to be worth even less. So the claim alleges that because Doug breached his trustee obligations to Rob's kids, they have lost $5 mil.

Doug is then alleged to have withheld the proceeds of Rob's life insurance, charged unreasonable expenses to the estate and attempted to keep his misconduct secret.

The claim then says that Doug's and Randy's mismanagement and negligent direction of the Deco companies has resulted in those companies "total operational failure" . The claim also seeks punitive damages against Doug and Randy. Here is a quote from the last paragraph.

"The defendant's misconduct was calculated, in breach of their trustees' duties, concealed by them, and arose in the context of multiple conflicts of interest which they willingly embraced to benefit themselves. In effect the defendants mismanaged the Deco Companies to the point of insolvency, and then plundered Doug Sr.'s estate to maintain the illusion that they were successful businessmen and to retain their offices and compensation."

So a few observations. The lawyers and the law firm acting for Rob Ford's widow and kids are reputable. They aren't the type of lawyers you see on the Simpsons. The claim is well drafted and credibly presented.

The facts as pleaded are all too common in the sense that the persons operating the business attempt to edge out the unsophisticated shareholder. Also common is the failure of estate trustees to produce credible and timely information when asked. Often the first sign of trouble.
 
Well, allegedly messing with trustee obligations to kids might rankle some voters. That would be supremely douchey.

The timing of this revelation is, um, interesting. :sarcasm
 
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Well, allegedly messing with trustee obligations to kids might rankle some voters. That would be supremely douchey.

The timing of this revelation is, um, interesting. :sarcasm

After the advanced polls, too late to really make waves in the news cycle.

Ya, whatevs
 
Stick with the first 4 paragraphs where he's screwing saint Renata, who stood by her man, and rob's kids.

The rest of the stuff about mismanaging the company sounds too opiniony to do much damage.

And call me naive, but I say this hurts him.
 
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/0...-efficiencies-in-brothers-widows-inheritance/

Etobicoke, ON – After Renata Ford, his brother’s widow, accused him of stealing money from her Rob Ford’s estate, Doug Ford issued a statement showing how his cost-cutting measures actually help his brother’s family.

“The Rob Ford estate was bloated and wasteful. So much of it was going towards healthcare, his children’s education, housing, and other inessentials,” explained Doug Ford. “But how much money do his two kids and their mother really need? It’s far better to put that money into private enterprises, like my bank account.”

Under Doug Ford’s guidance the Rob Ford estate has cut hundreds of thousands of dollars of fat thus creating a far more streamlined inheritance. The resulting bequest has helped struggling inner-city Doug Fords across Toronto with only a minor impact on his dead brother’s family.
 
It’s called extortion. When that didn’t work and her bluff was called she vengefully released the news to do damage to Ford.
 
This will likely do some damage. The most damaging part to Ford is likely the news that his management of Deco has apparently sunk the company into consistent losses. The guy is a blowhard know-nothing and that just fits the pattern.

That said, the bigger recent news is Wynne conceding defeat. A large number of Liberal supporters were until recently still believing the Liberals could win.

The most recent reliable poll out is from weekend polling. It usually takes a few days for news like that to move the needle.

The NDP has a good chance here if enough Liberal voters want to stop Ford. The lawsuit may also cause a good number of Tory supporters to sit on their hands. This thing is by no means in the bag for the Tories.
 
This.

Sadly.

And I honestly attest this to the NDP having run a bad campaign.

They needed to be out there banging one message into the heads of liberal voters over and over again.

Its us or ford.

But they have been going on about their platform like ontarians give a shit.

I think it speaks more to the irrelevancy of the NDP in Ontario.

It has become a complete 2 horse race. The leader of the PC's is arguably the worst political leader in Canadian history and the Liberal vote has completely collapsed.

The NDP can't use their typical excuses for losing elections like "Liberal lies" or "strategic voting." This pending lose is completely on them.

They have everything going their way and are still probably going to lose. They simply don't have the support required to win elections in Ontario.
 
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Singh would probably win this in a walk, Horwath is a dud.

Of course, Christine Elliot would have won easily too, but the OPC memebership can’t stop hammering on the self-destruct button. It really shouldn’t be this close.

Anyway, Ford may well win, but it’s likely gonna be a one-term shit show. Dollars to doughnuts he’s pushed out in a scandal of some kind.

PCPO members are very toxic. Them selecting Ford was a not a shocker. The furthest to the right of the credible candidates has won leadership the last three times for that party. Brown (was quite far to the right under Harper), Hudak and Ford were all the furthest to the right of the legitimate candidates. The PCPO simply won't elect a moderate as their leader.
 
I think it speaks more to the irrelevancy of the NDP in Ontario.

It has become a complete 2 horse race. The leader of the PC's is arguably the worst political leader in Canadian history and the Liberal vote has completely collapsed.

The NDP can't use their typical excuses for losing elections like "Liberal lies" or "strategic voting." This pending lose is completely on them.

They have everything going their way and are still probably going to lose. They simply don't have the support required to win elections in Ontario.

If only this were true. But it isn't, is it?

1 in 5 are still looking to vote for them, allowing for a vote split that is going to destroy any chance the NDP have in south and eastern Ontario while not netting the Libs many seats.

How many seats are the PCs going to come out ahead in in tight 3 way races that would be a cakewalk if liberals support fell another 5 points?
 
Are rob Ford supportera more sympathetic to his wife or his brother?
It's an interesting question.

I don't think it helps Renata's case that die-hard Rob Ford supporters, for the most part, are pretty sexist and probably more inclined to believe Doug. I don't think the timing of this helps Renata's case either---dropping this lawsuit days before the election with Doug as the leading contender for Premier burnishes the pro-Doug argument that this is extortion.

It also doesn't help Renata's case that Mama Ford came out swinging, and has essentially labelled Renata as a greedy drug-addict who's betrayed the family and is out for money to fuel her habit. So, it's not really just Renata vs. Doug. It's Renata vs. pretty much all of Rob's blood relatives. The blood relatives who all defended him to the death in public when he was mayor.
 
If only this were true. But it isn't, is it?

1 in 5 are still looking to vote for them, allowing for a vote split that is going to destroy any chance the NDP have in south and eastern Ontario while not netting the Libs many seats.

How many seats are the PCs going to come out ahead in in tight 3 way races that would be a cakewalk if liberals support fell another 5 points?

20 percent vote for the Liberals is a collapse. There are no tight 3-way races remaining. Maybe 1 or 2 I guess. The only races left are in areas where the NDP are irrelevant or simply don't have enough support. That's their fault. Not the voters.

This lose is on the NDP now. They have no excuses.
 
Yeah, it seems purely politically motivated. Even if all the accusations are true going public the week of the election makes it look unreliable.

But there is probably truth there. Its not exactly a surprise Ford is a greasy, selfish idiot.
 
I think it speaks more to the irrelevancy of the NDP in Ontario.

It has become a complete 2 horse race. The leader of the PC's is arguably the worst political leader in Canadian history and the Liberal vote has completely collapsed.

The NDP can't use their typical excuses for losing elections like "Liberal lies" or "strategic voting." This pending lose is completely on them.

They have everything going their way and are still probably going to lose. They simply don't have the support required to win elections in Ontario.

That's the hilarious part of this election - essentially, all 3 parties could have had the election in the bag, and all have tried their best to blow it.

The PCs basically had it gift-wrapped to them with the hate on Wynne. If they elected Elliott, they could legitimately have won 90+ seats this election. I mean seriously, other than the NDP strongholds, the PCs would have wiped the table with her. But they picked the buffoon, and are still in good shape, but it's shaky.

The NDP has a buffoon on the right, and the Libs who everyone want to punish. With a strong leader, they could definitely have walked up the "middle" and run away with it. But NDP gotta NDP, and now they've stalled. They've got a chance, but it's still a tough question whether they're going to get enough last minute support to actually push ridings orange, or if they're just sucking enough Liberal support to give the PCs an easy ride in the North York/suburban areas.

And the Liberals really don't have a bad record to run on, overall, and with unpopular/stale parties on either side of them. It was probably unrealistic for Wynne to have dropped out before the election, but they've obviously done a catastrophic job at running this election that no matter what they do, they just bleed support. I mean, obviously you've done a bad job when you're praying for 4 or 5 seats.

So yeah, it's still gonna be interesting to see how things shake out. We should be getting some new polling post-Wynne concession come out today, and we'll see if that moves the needle even further.
 
I think it speaks more to the irrelevancy of the NDP in Ontario.

It has become a complete 2 horse race. The leader of the PC's is arguably the worst political leader in Canadian history and the Liberal vote has completely collapsed.

The NDP can't use their typical excuses for losing elections like "Liberal lies" or "strategic voting." This pending lose is completely on them.

They have everything going their way and are still probably going to lose. They simply don't have the support required to win elections in Ontario.

eh, structurally the NDP are always at a big advantage. they are the only party perceived as an extreme party, while the other two are seen as left-center and right-center.

it's a wonder really that either of the NDP or Libs are in charge of all but one government in canada right now, tbh.
 
20 percent vote for the Liberals is a collapse. There are no tight 3-way races remaining. Maybe 1 or 2 I guess. The only races left are in areas where the NDP are irrelevant or simply don't have enough support. That's their fault. Not the voters.

This lose is on the NDP now. They have no excuses.

If the NDP can get to 40% overall with the PCs dropping to 35, that might start to open up some seats in North York/Ajax/Scarborough for the NDP. Using the simulator here http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/p/ontario-2018-simulator.html, if I put the Libs at 17, then PC35 and NDP38 has the PCs winning 70 seats, but if you push the NDP up to 40, then we're down to a virtual tie between the PC and NDP.

So yeah, I don't think it's the 3-way races anymore, but whether the NDP get enough ahead to flip those borderline seats. But to do that, they have to clear the PC vote total by 3-4%, and doesn't seem like they'll make it there barring a real last minute push.
 
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