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The Motherfucking 2021 Playoffs Thread

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We’ve got them beat for “most French Canadian players in the lineup” too.

I mean, until Drouin returns, both teams are technically tied at zero, but we’ve got a guy named “Pierre”, so I think that counts as a tiebreaker.
 



"Use the depth up front to its fullest​

The Leafs lean heavily on their top guys up front. I would too. But one way to counter that is to ensure that your guys are fresher than their guys, and then to use that energy to your advantage. This is how the Canadiens were built, and this is how Ducharme wants the Canadiens to play."

Think the idea that the Habs actually have better depth than us is just plain incorrect.
 
hockeylover said:



"Use the depth up front to its fullest​

The Leafs lean heavily on their top guys up front. I would too. But one way to counter that is to ensure that your guys are fresher than their guys, and then to use that energy to your advantage. This is how the Canadiens were built, and this is how Ducharme wants the Canadiens to play."

Think the idea that the Habs actually have better depth than us is just plain incorrect.
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why do you think facts have any place in this discussion? :p
 
I see it as this: the Habs do have decent forward depth. They have 2 solid 2nd lines and 2 solid 3rd lines. I don't mind the media playing it up because the depth is there for a playoff team.

However, the Leafs also have depth with one of the top lines in the league, a second line that rivals many first lines, and 2 solid and responsible third lines. That's the depth needed for a contender.
 
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"Use the depth up front to its fullest​

The Leafs lean heavily on their top guys up front. I would too. But one way to counter that is to ensure that your guys are fresher than their guys, and then to use that energy to your advantage. This is how the Canadiens were built, and this is how Ducharme wants the Canadiens to play."

Think the idea that the Habs actually have better depth than us is just plain incorrect.
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It doesn't mean what you think it does..his argument (correct or not, it's still different than implied by you) is that the Leafs play their top two lines more than the Habs play their top two...Habs rely on a more equal distribution of ice time, so perhaps their top dawgs will be fresher as the series develops.

Also, nerd stats from the same piece:

The Leafs’ expected goal percentage at five-on-five with Matthews and Weber on the ice this season was 49.38 percent, per Natural Stat Trick. Matthews had a similar number this season when matched up with Edmonton Oilers giant Darnell Nurse (48.49 percent) or Calgary Flames defensive pest Chris Tanev(40.42). There were only 15 players in the division who played at least 30 minutes at five-on-five with Matthews this season where the Leafs had an expected goal percentage of less than 50 percent (which is crazy). The Canadiens have five of them: Brendan Gallagher, Phillip Danault, Tomas Tatar, Jesperi Kotkaniemi and Weber. It just so happens that four of those players should be facing Matthews on a regular basis, seeing as it is a matchup Sheldon Keefe doesn’t appear to fear a whole lot. He rarely makes any effort to get Matthews away from it.
 
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It doesn't mean what you think it does..his argument (correct or not, it's still different than implied by you) is that the Leafs play their top two lines more than the Habs play their top two...Habs rely on a more equal distribution of ice time, so perhaps their top dawgs will be fresher as the series develops.

Also, nerd stats from the same piece:

The Leafs’ expected goal percentage at five-on-five with Matthews and Weber on the ice this season was 49.38 percent, per Natural Stat Trick. Matthews had a similar number this season when matched up with Edmonton Oilers giant Darnell Nurse (48.49 percent) or Calgary Flames defensive pest Chris Tanev(40.42). There were only 15 players in the division who played at least 30 minutes at five-on-five with Matthews this season where the Leafs had an expected goal percentage of less than 50 percent (which is crazy). The Canadiens have five of them: Brendan Gallagher, Phillip Danault, Tomas Tatar, Jesperi Kotkaniemi and Weber. It just so happens that four of those players should be facing Matthews on a regular basis, seeing as it is a matchup Sheldon Keefe doesn’t appear to fear a whole lot. He rarely makes any effort to get Matthews away from it.
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Ah, see I didn't think that could possibly be the argument because it's so dumb. My bad.
 
The path is luck. And tbh.. it's not the most unlikely path in the world. Prestoluck has returned!

I think moneypuck has the habs at a 25% chance of winning. That's a very hockey kind of probability. You'd never see two teams of this varying caliber with those probabilities in most other sports. You take the fuck out of a one in four chance as a habs fan!
 
Preston said:
The path is luck. And tbh.. it's not the most unlikely path in the world. Prestoluck has returned!

I think moneypuck has the habs at a 25% chance of winning. That's a very hockey kind of probability. You'd never see two teams of this varying caliber with those probabilities in most other sports. You take the **** out of a one in four chance as a habs fan!
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I personally have it as a 15% shot for the Habs....
 
Let's just say that if the Habs beat the Leafs, I don't think it'll be because of physicality or that their depth will be fresher (??)

Goaltending and special teams maybe? Probably true of any playoff series.
 
hockeylover said:



"Use the depth up front to its fullest​

The Leafs lean heavily on their top guys up front. I would too. But one way to counter that is to ensure that your guys are fresher than their guys, and then to use that energy to your advantage. This is how the Canadiens were built, and this is how Ducharme wants the Canadiens to play."

Think the idea that the Habs actually have better depth than us is just plain incorrect.
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so this time I actually read the whole article. actually fairly reasonable for a talking ass. still some issues.

Price's recent struggles are glossed over.

On the one hand the physicality of the Habs is played up, then on the other hand Basu talks about how Ducharme is likely to emphasize and prioritize speed and skill (not that they cannot go together, but personnel wise there is usually a divide).

but in fairness to Basu, I don't think he had much to work with, objectively speaking...
 
Wayward DP said:
so this time I actually read the whole article. actually fairly reasonable for a talking ass. still some issues.

Price's recent struggles are glossed over.

On the one hand the physicality of the Habs is played up, then on the other hand Basu talks about how Ducharme is likely to emphasize and prioritize speed and skill (not that they cannot go together, but personnel wise there is usually a divide).

but in fairness to Basu, I don't think he had much to work with, objectively speaking...
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Probably true.
 
Wayward DP said:
so this time I actually read the whole article. actually fairly reasonable for a talking ass. still some issues.

Price's recent struggles are glossed over.
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the Price bet is that he's been good in playoffs

.936 in 10 games last year
.933 in 6 games in his prior playoff stint
 
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