LeafOfFaith
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That Hyman report is full bs.
The Fucking Offseason Thread - Why bother waiting?
- Thread starter MindzEye
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Habsy
Just Walking About Aimlessly
I hear his subs aren't bad.
JackBurton
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Yeah I cannot see Hyman getting that money. This is classic anti-Leaf hype. It's getting like the offersheets.
LeafGm
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It’s controversial because:
A) Some people believe that we’d be better served protecting McCann than Holl. (I don’t personally subscribe to this view, but I can see the argument).
B) Some of us believe Kerfoot needs to go, so both deciding that we should keep him if possible and trading assets to try and protect him from the expansion draft is compound stupidity.
Feel free to disagree if you like, but this isn’t the no-brainer move you’re portraying it to be.
hockeylover
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Maybe should go in Prospects thread but since we briefly discussed state of our prospect pool in here…
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
McCanns price was not contingent on the composition of our protected list.
We had the ability to get him for a song and then protect him.
trujaysfan
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For the 1st time in a decade the right side of our D wasnt a mix of unplayable garbage and broken geriatrics, so i can see the appeal of holl being kept. Keep the top 2 pairs of a team that was good defensively intact.
You can still move kerfoot after the expansion draft (market will likely be better as teams dont need to make protection decision). I would also like to reallocate his 3.5M cap hit. If they take mccann and then trade kerfoot for more value than hallander and 7th will you still be upset?
zeke
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Vegas list vs Seattle List
(Exposed in brackets)
Anderson --- Campbell
(Sparks) --- (Hutchinson)
(Bibeau) --- n/a
Rielly --------- Rielly
Gardiner ---- Muzzin
Carrick -------- Brodie
(Marincin) --- Holl
(Marchenko) - (Dermott)
Kadri ----------- Matthews
VanRiemsdyk - Marner
Bozak ----------- Tavares
Brown ---------- Nylander
Komarov ------- (McCann)
Martin ----------- (Kerfoot)
Leivo -------------- (Engvall)
(Leipsic) --------- (Anderson)
(Fehr) ------------- (Spezza)
(Rychel) ---------- (Simmonds)
(Smith) ----------- (Brooks)
(Exposed in brackets)
Anderson --- Campbell
(Sparks) --- (Hutchinson)
(Bibeau) --- n/a
Rielly --------- Rielly
Gardiner ---- Muzzin
Carrick -------- Brodie
(Marincin) --- Holl
(Marchenko) - (Dermott)
Kadri ----------- Matthews
VanRiemsdyk - Marner
Bozak ----------- Tavares
Brown ---------- Nylander
Komarov ------- (McCann)
Martin ----------- (Kerfoot)
Leivo -------------- (Engvall)
(Leipsic) --------- (Anderson)
(Fehr) ------------- (Spezza)
(Rychel) ---------- (Simmonds)
(Smith) ----------- (Brooks)
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Fair. I disagree, but fair.
The drop off from Holl to Dermott/Sandin/Timmy/Bogo/etc is a lot less steep than the drop off from McCann to Kerfoot/Engvall/Mikky/Simmonds.
Given that we just managed to muster 6 goals in 3 straight elimination games and become pretty offensively inept if Matthews isn't going, I think we need to be very concerned about the quality of our next set of forwards behind the top 4 if we want to go deep.
I mean, if we compare ourselves to the current 2x Cup champion, where's the talent gap:
Hedman-McDonagh-Cernak-Sergachev
Rielly-Muzzin-Brodie-Dermott/Sandin
Or here:
Palat-Point-Kucherov
Killorn-Cirelli-Stamkos
Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman
XXXXXX-Matthews-Marner
XXXXXX-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kerfoot-Mikky
It's going to take a hell of a set of XXXXX's there to come close to making up for how much better that Tampa 3rd line was.
Despite the dollar investment, I just don't think our forward group is good enough. Our blueline, even with Holl, is though.
hockeylover
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I love Mikheyev, but man, he cannot finish to save his life anymore. So frustrating.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Engvall isn't much better in that regard tbh. Both are great shot suppressors, but I think you can only have one of the two on a 3rd line if you expect anything from it at the other end of the ice.
But yeah, Mikky has a 7.3% career shooting percentage...that might be a record for a forward
zeke
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Let's be real tho - none of us got excited by hearing about McCann until we saw his shiny charts.
LeafGm
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Nope. If Kerfoot makes it through the expansion draft, and Dubas turns around and deals him for a more valuable return than Hallander + a 7th, then that’s great. I’d have no complaints about that.
It’s just that at this moment, I’m no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt either that he has any interest in doing that, or that he’ll be able to pull it off.
I’m more inclined to believe the Dubas still views Kerfoot as a valuable part of this team, and intends to keep him if he’s not picked.
trujaysfan
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Is robertson ready for one of those xxxxxx slots on the top 6? Thats what we really need so we can go after another medium sized fish for the other one. McCann or Kerfoot are 3rd line wingers i hope
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
That's what the shiny charts or for tho....
Didn't we hire the nerd specifically because he was combo platter of shiny chart mastery and long drives to random ass rinks in northern ontario to drink bad coffee out of styrofoam cups and know which 15 yr olds were under valued?
zeke
Well-known member
Sorry I thought this board lolled at xgf now my mistake.
That nerd put together the 2nd shiniest team chart in the league this year.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
I would like to say yes, but nothing he has done so far suggests it. Still only 19, and 16 points in 21 games is great for a 19 yr old in the AHL, but I don't know if it's top 6 LW ready yet. Previous graduated to our top 6 have all been older and PPG or PPG+ in the AHL.
I mean, Galchenyuk teabagged the AHL last year and was okay, just okay overall in his NHL stint with us.
He could definitely come into camp and blow the doors off. But honestly, with Engvall and Mikky on that 3rd line, Robertson's first step should be stealing one of those jobs.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
When have I ever lolled at xgf?
Recognizing that it's only part of the battle isn't lolling at it. There's nothing wrong with breaking down and analyzing the roster's constituent parts to look for flaws and areas of improvement. I agree with the importance in running out a roster that is strong analytically, absolutely. But it still needs to perform when under duress and it just hasn't.
Right now the team is obviously (especially with Hyman's departure) weak on at LW and weak on the 3rd line. It's very strong on the blueline both in quality and depth, and obscenely strong at 1-2C & 1-2RW.
Borrowing from the strength of one aspect of the club (blueline depth) to address another major area of need (Top 6LW or 3C, take your pick) would be prudent.
zeke
Well-known member
You seem to be having it both ways.
The Nerd was good enough at the nerdies to put together the 2nd best nerdies team in the league this year.