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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

anne25 said:
🤔 Curious. The Ottawa Senators hockey team is 100% vaccinated bur 40% of the team has tested positive for covid.
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Vaccination to me has always been about hospitalization and death. Sure with precautions like masking, chances of getting COVID is lower when vaccinated, but absence of precautions you are bound to get it with or without vaccines.

The sens team traveling, being in the same room together, playing against others, all moslty maskless naturally don't have those measures in place. No vaccination and they may have gotten this earlier even. All it takes is one member contracting it in a different setting.

With vaccination though, they'll likely all recover with some symptoms and be right back without hospitalization.
 
CTheBigPicture said:
Vaccination to me has always been about hospitalization and death. Sure with precautions like masking, chances of getting COVID is lower when vaccinated, but absence of precautions you are bound to get it with or without vaccines.

The sens team traveling, being in the same room together, playing against others, all moslty maskless naturally don't have those measures in place. No vaccination and they may have gotten this earlier even. All it takes is one member contracting it in a different setting.

With vaccination though, they'll likely all recover with some symptoms and be right back without hospitalization.
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But will they be any better at hockey?
 
I think people are confused because with a lot of the things we get vaccinated for, there is not much transmission throughout society. This is because the herd immunity threshold is much smaller than it is with covid. When something is as transmissible as this virus, it is next to impossible to reach herd immunity. With the measles.. since the vaccine is amazing, 95% of people vaccinated gets us to herd immunity. But unlike measles, covid mutates and since it's a coronavirus there is waning, as there is with natural infection. It's basically more transmissible than any other virus out there other than measles.

And vaccines are designed to work at the population level, not individual level; obviously we all have some individual protection from covid if vaccinated but to optimize protection it has to be at the population level and reaching that herd immunity threshold is the only way to avoid transmission; unfortunately that is not realistic. So of course transmission will happen and we will all likely be faced with catching the virus at one point or another. The point is that through treatments and vaccines it'll be a lot more mild than without those things, but yes it's obviously a better idea to try to not catch it at all. The vaccines simply don't give us sterilizing immunity and no one has claimed that they do because it's likely impossible with a coronavirus.

I think the confusion comes from a lack of understanding of basic science.
 
Preston said:
I think people are confused because with a lot of the things we get vaccinated for, there is not much transmission throughout society. This is because the herd immunity threshold is much smaller than it is with covid. When something is as transmissible as this virus, it is next to impossible to reach herd immunity. With the measles.. since the vaccine is amazing, 95% of people vaccinated gets us to herd immunity. But unlike measles, covid mutates and since it's a coronavirus there is waning, as there is with natural infection. It's basically more transmissible than any other virus out there other than measles.

And vaccines are designed to work at the population level, not individual level; obviously we all have some individual protection from covid if vaccinated but to optimize protection it has to be at the population level and reaching that herd immunity threshold is the only way to avoid transmission; unfortunately that is not realistic. So of course transmission will happen and we will all likely be faced with catching the virus at one point or another. The point is that through treatments and vaccines it'll be a lot more mild than without those things, but yes it's obviously a better idea to try to not catch it at all.

I think the confusion comes from a lack of understanding of basic science.
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Sadly, this.
 
To put it in another way, if measles was running rampant and I was the only person in the province vaccinated for measles... I'm probably going to catch it very quickly. Not because it's a "leaky vaccine" but because there is a lot of transmission throughout society so my risks of catching it, despite being vaccinated, would be higher than my risks of catching in Canada right now if I were unvaxxed. But it will be a very mild illness. We're not at the herd immunity threshold for covid and because of mutations and waning of immunity, we will never get there. So everyone is at risk, vaccinated or not.

But if you could get a needle that reduces your odds of a severe illness if infected by ~50% compared to an unvaxxed you obviously take it every time. At the individual level, that's why it's a no brainer to get vaccinated.
 
Aggressive boosting in Israel helped them prevent the need for a lockdown

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Many parts of Europe are fucked because of their shitty rollouts. Hopefully Canada gets on with it.
 
But if you could get a needle that reduces your odds of a severe illness if infected by ~50% compared to an unvaxxed you obviously take it every time. At the individual level, that's why it's a no brainer to get vaccinated.


Not if you are an antivaxxer.
 
Preston said:
To put it in another way, if measles was running rampant and I was the only person in the province vaccinated for measles... I'm probably going to catch it very quickly. Not because it's a "leaky vaccine" but because there is a lot of transmission throughout society so my risks of catching it, despite being vaccinated, would be higher than my risks of catching in Canada right now if I were unvaxxed. But it will be a very mild illness. We're not at the herd immunity threshold for covid and because of mutations and waning of immunity, we will never get there. So everyone is at risk, vaccinated or not.

But if you could get a needle that reduces your odds of a severe illness if infected by ~50% compared to an unvaxxed you obviously take it every time. At the individual level, that's why it's a no brainer to get vaccinated.
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after a brief cameo by #trollpresto, Dr. Presto returns with a vengeance!

but seriously, Dr. Presto offers a public service of sorts
 
He's my 2nd favourite unlicensed physician.

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Again I don't think we have the doses to do this (not seeing anyone bring up that point but I'm sure they can be obtained quickly at this stage) but......



We don't want to be Europe this winter. Need to act quickly or we will be. The benefit of getting our doses a bit later than many countries is that we can learn from other nations. If we don't actually learn tho I don't see the point.
 
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