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The Fucking Season Thread - Redemption Tour '22

Artnes said:
Locking in Bunting at 950k for 2 years is one of the best value signings in the league.

I thought Hyman walking was going to sting a lot more but guys like Bunting and Kase have easily filled that gap at a fraction of the price
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Bunting being locked up for two years and Kase being an RFA after this season is definitely some pretty nice work in replacing Hyman on a budget.
 
Kampf over Bunting as top newcomer is a joke. One is basically a fourth line center, and the other is a few points away from matching Marner's production. I mean, come on. Not even close.

And Tavares has definitely been the top dog so far. Most consistent player on the team, has powered through the early shitstorm with strength and sheer will, and if not for some bad breaks early on with posts and robberies galore, would probably have 30-35 points right now. He's been quietly awesome.
 
Bunting's had a good start. if this is what he is, it's a home run for the price.

he has to last the grind of a full NHL season though. It's tough.
 
It's one thing to say Matty has been better, but this part about being "so, so much better" and "not even close" is pretty damn comical.
 
Auston is the best 2-way centremen in the world. JT has been legitimately good, but Auston is an easy level above him.

They face similar levels of competition, and play with similar quality of teammates. But when Auston is on the ice we're taking 60% of shot attempts (to 51.5% when JT is on), receive 64% of scoring chances (52.7 for JT), and 67% of HD chances (57% for JT)

xGF
Matthews: 3.39
JT: 2.76

xGA
Matthews: 1.81
JT: 2.48

It's not close, and I say that with the caveat that this is as close to playing like an 11 million dollar hockey player as JT has been in over 2 years now. But Matthews is all world, even if the counting stats early this season haven't quite caught up with that yet. His on ice impact is fucking incredible.

Matthews is 1st among #1-2 centres in CF%, 1st in expected goals for, 2nd in expected goals against (so yes, first in xG%). 7th among all centres in scoring chances against, and 12th in high danger against....that's against any usage (a number of guys ahead of him like Duchene and Reinhart don't do any heavy lifting). Those defensive impacts are nuts. We own the puck when he's on the ice, and we're getting great chances with all of that puck ownership. He leads all centres in on ice HD chances/60...and is almost 10% ahead of McDavid in 3rd. His impact is incredible. The only reason the counting stats aren't there is on ice shooting percentage. He's 50th among centres there (JT is 12th).

7.7% on ice shooting percentage, with his norm about 10%. For a guy crushing the universe with 37 on ice shots per 60, that 2.3% would equal another 5 points at evens.

Despite suggestions otherwise here, JT has been a bit (but only a bit) fortunate this year. 14.7% shooting would represent the 3rd highest season of his career if this persists, and his 12.9% oiSH% would be the highest of his career if it continues. Neither are outside of the reasonable realm of possibilities, but he definitely hasn't been snakebitten in the least.

That Auston has some of the best defensive impacts of any centre in the world, while also having some of the best offensive impacts is crazy. The counting stats make the argument look bad, but the possession and expected goal numbers aren't lying

CF
Auston: 70.3
McDavid: 66.7

CA
Auston: 46.9
McDavid: 56.5

GF% (real goals, for you serious people out there who only count real goals) with on ice shooting %
Auston: 57.14 (7.66%)
McDavied: 57.89 (9.84%)

xGF%
Auston: 65.18%
McDavid: 54.86%

Where I find the breakdown a bit crazy is defensively. There was a lot of talk last year about how McDavid was as good defensively as Matthews. They're similar event players overall (same amount of total shot attempts happen while they're out there), he's the defensive numbers alone

CA
Auston: 46.9
McDavid: 56.5

GA
Auston: 2.12
McDavid: 2.71

xGA
Auston: 1.81
McDavid: 2.72

Massive gap in defensive impact.
 
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MindzEye said:
Auston is the best 2-way centremen in the world. JT has been legitimately good, but Auston is an easy level above him.

They face similar levels of competition, and play with similar quality of teammates. But when Auston is on the ice we're taking 60% of shot attempts (to 51.5% when JT is on), receive 64% of scoring chances (52.7 for JT), and 67% of HD chances (57% for JT)
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Amazing. He's definitely not getting enough respect for this season. All media is looking at is goals.
 
MindzEye said:
Auston is the best 2-way centremen in the world. JT has been legitimately good, but Auston is an easy level above him.

They face similar levels of competition, and play with similar quality of teammates. But when Auston is on the ice we're taking 60% of shot attempts (to 51.5% when JT is on), receive 64% of scoring chances (52.7 for JT), and 67% of HD chances (57% for JT)

xGF
Matthews: 3.39
JT: 2.76

xGA
Matthews: 1.81
JT: 2.48

It's not close, and I say that with the caveat that this is as close to playing like an 11 million dollar hockey player as JT has been in over 2 years now. But Matthews is all world, even if the counting stats early this season haven't quite caught up with that yet. His on ice impact is fucking incredible.

Matthews is 1st among #1-2 centres in CF%, 1st in expected goals for, 2nd in expected goals against (so yes, first in xG%). 7th among all centres in scoring chances against, and 12th in high danger against....that's against any usage (a number of guys ahead of him like Duchene and Reinhart don't do any heavy lifting). Those defensive impacts are nuts. We own the puck when he's on the ice, and we're getting great chances with all of that puck ownership. He leads all centres in on ice HD chances/60...and is almost 10% ahead of McDavid in 3rd. His impact is incredible. The only reason the counting stats aren't there is on ice shooting percentage. He's 50th among centres there (JT is 12th).

7.7% on ice shooting percentage, with his norm about 10%. For a guy crushing the universe with 37 on ice shots per 60, that 2.3% would equal another 5 points at evens.

Despite suggestions otherwise here, JT has been a bit (but only a bit) fortunate this year. 14.7% shooting would represent the 3rd highest season of his career if this persists, and his 12.9% oiSH% would be the highest of his career if it continues. Neither are outside of the reasonable realm of possibilities, but he definitely hasn't been snakebitten in the least.
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That all looks great. Certainly, any comparison between two awesome Leafs, it doesn't matter who comes out on top.

But this season has been a tale of two different Matthews. He's picked up his game enormously in the last 7 or 8 games or so. Tavares has been consistently good since game one. That's why, regardless of where the XGFs and CFs and whatevers end up, I give the edge to Tavares, who has been steady as it gets while delivering elite performance.
 
Preston said:
I've loved JT but he had a rough start!
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He had a rough start in the luck department. Remember I kept saying it was crazy every game, that he kept hitting the post, or the knob of the goalie's stick, or just missing the net. Dude could easily be sitting on 16-17 goals right now.
 
There's no debate that Auston is better than JT, but if the question is who is the Team MVP THUS FAR it's Jack and Johnny. Don't forget that Matthews missed a chunk of time to start the year, and then was strangely ineffective for a while as well. Top newcomer and surprise both gotta be Bunting though.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
He had a rough start in the luck department. Remember I kept saying it was crazy every game, that he kept hitting the post, or the knob of the goalie's stick, or just missing the net. Dude could easily be sitting on 16-17 goals right now.
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That ritche-jt-marner line was reallllllly bad early in the year and it wasn't all mimsy's fault. Hell zeke wanted JT off the top pp unit in favor of Ritchie at one point. That was ridiculous obviously but he was pretty bad.
 
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