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MindzEye said:
For a little while in 2016-2018 when he was just doing the youtube thing, I would catch the JRE snippets pretty regularly and there were basically 2 types of shows

-Him and his meathead MMA buddies or comedians shooting the shit
-Very interesting people doing very interesting things to whom Joe just asked good questions to because he was a self admitted dummy who didn't know enough to form an opinion on the matter. Would occasionally ask a brilliant scientists if they had ever used DMT, a sensory deprivation tank, eat elk, etc. Charming Joe Rogan stuff.

Since then he has sadly stopped believing that he was actually a moron and developed his own, often completely rubbish, opinions. He started platforming regressive twats instead of truly interesting people and went (at least) soft maga. It was truly a hell of a heel turn.

The r/joerogan subreddit is a civil war between old fans who are pulling the pin in droves and new alt reich fans who are thrilled to have a "centrist" giving them a platform.
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Yeah I recall him just being a self described dolt who liked thinking and talking about shit. Now he has a sniff of the grift and he is all in.
 
SundinsTooth said:
Yeah I recall him just being a self described dolt who liked thinking and talking about shit. Now he has a sniff of the grift and he is all in.
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I honestly don't think he's in on the grift. He got paid by spotify before the heel turn, he didn't need to do any of this. I sadly think he was always a bit of a philosophical Ayn Rand'er (whenever he actually did voice his opinions when he was a dummy, he was pretty unsympathetic to anyone who couldn't become successful on hard work alone because he did it) and the money allowed him to become who he really was all along. There's a lot of grievance in his opinions these days, that doesn't just show up overnight.

Basically, I think he's a true believer too dumb to know better.
 
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MindzEye said:
I honestly don't think he's in on the grift. He got paid by spotify before the heel turn, he didn't need to do any other this. I sadly think he was always a bit of a philosophical Ayn Rand'er (whenever he actually did voice his opinions when he was a dummy, he was pretty unsympathetic to anyone who couldn't become successful on hard work alone because he did it) and the money allowed him to become who he really was all along. There's a lot of grievance in his opinions these days, that doesn't just show up overnight.

Basically, I think he's a true believer too dumb to know better.
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That's kinda almost less sad, I guess? I dunno. I haven't really thought about him in years. When I was in school I really liked his podcast as it had quite a few interesting folks.
 
It was a great show when he had interesting people on. Like any podcast, really.

He wasn't interested in "interviewing" or grilling people with follow-up questions, it was just meant to be a conversation like they were out for dinner shooting the shit. The fact that he didn't care if conversations ended up being 2-3 hours long, plus the fact that guests tend to let their guard down in this format, was key. He was one of the first doing these long-form interviews, chose guests from all over the map, and the podcast started to grow rapidly after a few years.

Definitely not a grift, he already signed a $100 million deal. In terms of politics, while he's had people like Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin on, he also had David Pakman and Bill Maher. Plus Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.

It's interesting that when he decided to do an election night show, he chose Kyle Kulinski, who is a liberal progressive. He's also said he has a lot of liberal views especially on social issues.

I don't know what the fuck has happened to him during the pandemic. Other than this bizarre thing that happened to millions of people who have been taken in by this alt-covid narrative based on pseudoscience. Many of these folks love conspiracy theories, so I guess this is the biggest conspiracy ever involving the U.S. government, the CDC, and probably Team America World Police.
 
axlsalinger said:
It was a great show when he had interesting people on. Like any podcast, really.

He wasn't interested in "interviewing" or grilling people with follow-up questions, it was just meant to be a conversation like they were out for dinner shooting the shit. The fact that he didn't care if conversations ended up being 2-3 hours long, plus the fact that guests tend to let their guard down in this format, was key. He was one of the first doing these long-form interviews, chose guests from all over the map, and the podcast started to grow rapidly after a few years.

Definitely not a grift, he already signed a $100 million deal. In terms of politics, while he's had people like Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin on, he also had David Pakman and Bill Maher. Plus Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.

It's interesting that when he decided to do an election night show, he chose Kyle Kulinski, who is a liberal progressive. He's also said he has a lot of liberal views especially on social issues.

I don't know what the fuck has happened to him during the pandemic. Other than this bizarre thing that happened to millions of people who have been taken in by this alt-covid narrative based on pseudoscience. Many of these folks love conspiracy theories, so I guess this is the biggest conspiracy ever involving the U.S. government, the CDC, and probably Team America World Police.
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Yeah he did what Howard Stern started doing in the early 2005 when he went to Sirius. Joe is younger and more "hip" and Stern's old fanbase basically all went to Joe. The exact same pieces of shit used to like Howard.
 
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But yeah like many, I do think he got brainwashed into believing some beleafer shit. Usually a sign of low intelligence unfortunately so he was always a strong candidate to be fooled. It is what it is.
 
Preston said:
Yeah he did what Howard Stern started doing in the early 2005 when he went to Sirius. Joe is younger and more "hip" and Stern's old fanbase basically all went to Joe. The exact same pieces of shit used to like Howard.
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Definitely some similarities there. Although Howard did do "interviews" and grilled his guests back in the day. Howard's actually a great interviewer. Much more sexual and celebrity-based though, obviously. But certainly a long-form meandering discussion where he did his best to make guests let their guard down.

One major difference being podcasts are free and easy for anyone to access.

As for the pandemic of bullshit information, low intelligence is an issue, as is being conspiracy-minded (Beleafer often hinted comspiratorially about what "evil" corporations were up to, as if they aren't in actuality just really big companies who know how to buy influence and try to make as much money as possible). Bret Weinstein isn't stupid though. A lot of smart people fell down that rabbit hole.
 
axlsalinger said:
Definitely some similarities there. Although Howard did do "interviews" and grilled his guests back in the day. Howard's actually a great interviewer. Much more sexual and celebrity-based though, obviously. But certainly a long-form meandering discussion where he did his best to make guests let their guard down.

One major difference being podcasts are free and easy for anyone to access.

As for the pandemic of bullshit information, low intelligence is an issue, as is being conspiracy-minded (Beleafer was actually hinting comspiratorially about what "evil" corporations were up to, as if they aren't in actuality just really big companies who know how to buy influence and try to make as much money as possible). Bret Weinstein isn't stupid though. A lot of smart people fell down that rabbit hole.
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Howard has been through a lot of phases. He was a different guy in the 90s than he was by 2005. He did exactly what Rogan did with his interviews by around then. Shooting the shit, informal, just having fun talking to interesting people for hours at a time; sometimes for his entire 4-5 hour show. Before that it was chaos and childish stupidity when he was on regular radio and more recently it's been more hard hitting interviews. All good for different reasons! But he has evolved over the years. His problem is that he's impossible to relate to anymore. He was the "every man" in the 90s. Now he's some vapid Hollywood suck ass with hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank. Not for me personally, and I can see why a lot of his fans jumped ship to Rogan.

And fair enough about the conspiracy bit. I go back and forth on thinking they're really dumb, really narcissistic (for thinking they have the hidden secret that the world's brightest don't know) or a bit of both.
 
Preston said:
Howard has been through a lot of phases. He was a different guy in the 90s than he was by 2005. He did exactly what Rogan did with his interviews by around then. Shooting the shit, informal, just having fun talking to interesting people for hours at a time; sometimes for his entire 4-5 hour show. Before that it was chaos and childish stupidity when he was on regular radio and more recently it's been more hard hitting interviews. All good for different reasons! But he has evolved over the years. His problem is that he's impossible to relate to anymore. He was the "every man" in the 90s. Now he's some vapid Hollywood suck ass with hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank. Not for me personally, and I can see why a lot of his fans jumped ship to Rogan.

And fair enough about the conspiracy bit. I go back and forth on thinking they're really dumb, really narcissistic (for thinking they have the hidden secret that the world's brightest don't know) or a bit of both.
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I haven't heard much Howard recently, other some YouTube clips which seemed pretty good. I know a bunch of his hardcore fans got pissed off a while back about the format, but doing the same show for 30+ years seems pretty pointless to me.

Between JFK and X-Files, conspiracies were awesome in the 90s. I just don't understand how it went so off the rails to the current day where every single fucking thing is a goddamn conspiracy.

I think it probably jumped the shark with 9/11. I remember a guy at work got me to watch one of those videos with "engineers" saying it was impossible to generate the heat required to melt steel and all this other technical mumbo-jumbo. I was intrigued, and "did my own research" to find other engineers explaining why it was absolutely possible. When the conspiracy people started to pretend there wasn't even a plane at the Pentagon, along with the fake moon landing and everything else, it became obvious how intellectually bankrupt the whole thing is.
 
Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura was awesome. His delivery always gave it a wrestling script vibe

Would still watch it today if it was on
 
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Consipiracy theories are fun when its aliens, bigfoot and JFK.

Needing to drink silver water to avoid the lizard people controlling your brain Teeds stuff is boring though. Teeds > Q btw. He was ahead of his time.
 
Experts: what is the skinny re: long COVID?

Is there a difference between variants? Does vax status make a difference re: severity?

It does get much air time, which is understandable. But seems to be a real sonofabitch.
 
Not really an expert or anything and not even sure if this counts as long but the people I know who got sick during the alpha wave had some weird shit for a few months after (tingling hands, chest pain outta nowhere, etc). My mom and I and a dude in my office had some hair loss.

Everyone I know who’s had omicron so far has had it resolve fairly quickly.
 
hockeylover said:
Not really an expert or anything and not even sure if this counts as long but the people I know who got sick during the alpha wave had some weird shit for a few months after (tingling hands, chest pain outta nowhere, etc). My mom and I and a dude in my office had some hair loss.

Everyone I know who’s had omicron so far has had it resolve fairly quickly.
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Thanks. Real world experience. I hope you kick its ass.
 
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