Around the League 2019-2024 Edition
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The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
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The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
As you said, Pettersson is “infinitely better than Dach”. Canucks GM also agrees.
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The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
When’s the last time a legit star in his prime was dealt for a couple of picks in the 12th-18th range
axlsalinger
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leafman101
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So looks like the Flames traded up big-time going from Tre to Conroy.
He has traded Mangiapane, Lindholm, Markstrom, Pelletier, Toffoli, Hanifin for three 1st, 2nd, Sharingovich, Frost, Farabee, Bruzstewicz.
Then with all those picks last year they drafted the 3rd (Parekh), 17th (Mews), 19th (Basha), 21st (Misa), and 45th (Gridin) most likely stars in the 2024 draft according to hockey prospecting.
Maybe we should have interviewed some people instead of just hiring guys that got fired and names Shanny knew.
He has traded Mangiapane, Lindholm, Markstrom, Pelletier, Toffoli, Hanifin for three 1st, 2nd, Sharingovich, Frost, Farabee, Bruzstewicz.
Then with all those picks last year they drafted the 3rd (Parekh), 17th (Mews), 19th (Basha), 21st (Misa), and 45th (Gridin) most likely stars in the 2024 draft according to hockey prospecting.
Maybe we should have interviewed some people instead of just hiring guys that got fired and names Shanny knew.
Conroy did a great job with several trades with no leverage
Got ahead of the curve and team hasnt collapsed
The Green Hornet
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treliving did such a good job handling the Guadreau and Tkachuk deals it was nearly impossible for shanny not to hire him
axlsalinger
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Volcanologist
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they're not here to sell jerseys!
Habsy
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horrible. There's obviously a cutoff of some year. No Brodeur?
zeke
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Team Canada 1991 Canada Cup (at the end of the summer before the 91-92 season), with player age and ppg from the 90-91 season:
Robitaille 23, 1.26 --- Gretzky 29, 1.95 --- Tocchet 25, 1.28
Shanahan 21, 0.99 --- Messier 29, 1.63 --- Larmer 28, 1.13
Corson 23, 0.99 --- Hawerchuk 26, 1.03 --- Sutter 27, 1.02
Graham 30, 0.74 --- Lindros 17, 0.00 --- Fleury 21, 0.83
Courtnall 24, 0.74
Coffey 28, 1.29 --- Murphy 28, 0.72
Stevens 25, 0.71 --- MacInnis 26, 1.14
Tinordi 23, 0.15 --- Smith 26, 0.55
Desjardins 20, 0.29
Ranford 23, .887
Burke 23, .880
Belfour 20, .000
Shanahan 21, 0.99 --- Messier 29, 1.63 --- Larmer 28, 1.13
Corson 23, 0.99 --- Hawerchuk 26, 1.03 --- Sutter 27, 1.02
Graham 30, 0.74 --- Lindros 17, 0.00 --- Fleury 21, 0.83
Courtnall 24, 0.74
Coffey 28, 1.29 --- Murphy 28, 0.72
Stevens 25, 0.71 --- MacInnis 26, 1.14
Tinordi 23, 0.15 --- Smith 26, 0.55
Desjardins 20, 0.29
Ranford 23, .887
Burke 23, .880
Belfour 20, .000
leafman101
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Obviously you gotta take Dirk Graham and Mark Tinordi over Sakic and Bourque. Stupid NHL.com
zeke
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By Net Rating, here's Canada's Best (Red) vs Canada's Actual Team (Blue).
Note that in this case Net Rating will be misleading because it's giving a whole bunch of PP value to players who won't be on the top PP units for this team (and I think this probably effects the dman value much more than the forwards).
Bolded the discrepancies between the two.
Forwards:
Only Marchand and Bennett look like "bad" picks, but we all know why they're there and they have proven themselves in stepping up in crunch time. I don't have a lot of problem with Marchand for sure, but maybe Bennett is a step too far. Hopefully he ends up as the extra.
Jarvis and Konecny are maybe a tick or two behind some other choices by net rating but the difference is maybe irrelevant and i'm glad to see them take some good young skill like that.
In terms of forwards that missed - honestly I can't get worked up about any of Monahan, Hyman, Tavares, Scheifele being left off. These are players with clear limits and/or in decline. Some other guys with high Net Ratings that missed are names like Dubois +13, Barzal +13, Duchene +12, Seguin +12, Horvat +11, Johnston +11, Vilardi +11, Suzuki +10, Wilson +10, Thomas +9 ... none of these guys exactly criminal misses here either. I do like Johnston tho.
Defense:
I don't rightly know how much subtracting PP value from Bouchard, Harley, and Dobson but I'm pretty sure it's a lot. And tbh the eye test on Bouchard is fucking horrible. I think he's leeching value off of McDraiholm and I just don't believe that number at all. I'm pretty sure removing Dobson's PP value puts him on the same level as those other picks.
I really don't mind them passing on Bouchard and Dobson at all. Harley I think i like tho. He probably should be there.
Parayko is the obvious shit pick. Sanheim may actually deserve it and his net rating might be pushed down by his shitty team. Pietro....probably doesn't deserve it but he could step up at any time still....and anyways he's injured.
Some other high net rating guys that could have been picked (and one of these guys will have to be picked now that Pietro pulled out): Doughty +9, Weegar +8, Tanev +8....and then a bunch of guy at +7......Spurgeon +7, Chabot +7, Hamilton +7, McNabb +7, Nurse +7.
Doughty likely gets the pick if he's feeling ok but Weegar and Tanev would be good picks too. Whichever of them get picked should be in the starting lineup ahead of Parayko tho.
Goalies:
assholes
Note that in this case Net Rating will be misleading because it's giving a whole bunch of PP value to players who won't be on the top PP units for this team (and I think this probably effects the dman value much more than the forwards).
Bolded the discrepancies between the two.
Only Marchand and Bennett look like "bad" picks, but we all know why they're there and they have proven themselves in stepping up in crunch time. I don't have a lot of problem with Marchand for sure, but maybe Bennett is a step too far. Hopefully he ends up as the extra.
Jarvis and Konecny are maybe a tick or two behind some other choices by net rating but the difference is maybe irrelevant and i'm glad to see them take some good young skill like that.
In terms of forwards that missed - honestly I can't get worked up about any of Monahan, Hyman, Tavares, Scheifele being left off. These are players with clear limits and/or in decline. Some other guys with high Net Ratings that missed are names like Dubois +13, Barzal +13, Duchene +12, Seguin +12, Horvat +11, Johnston +11, Vilardi +11, Suzuki +10, Wilson +10, Thomas +9 ... none of these guys exactly criminal misses here either. I do like Johnston tho.
Defense:
I don't rightly know how much subtracting PP value from Bouchard, Harley, and Dobson but I'm pretty sure it's a lot. And tbh the eye test on Bouchard is fucking horrible. I think he's leeching value off of McDraiholm and I just don't believe that number at all. I'm pretty sure removing Dobson's PP value puts him on the same level as those other picks.
I really don't mind them passing on Bouchard and Dobson at all. Harley I think i like tho. He probably should be there.
Parayko is the obvious shit pick. Sanheim may actually deserve it and his net rating might be pushed down by his shitty team. Pietro....probably doesn't deserve it but he could step up at any time still....and anyways he's injured.
Some other high net rating guys that could have been picked (and one of these guys will have to be picked now that Pietro pulled out): Doughty +9, Weegar +8, Tanev +8....and then a bunch of guy at +7......Spurgeon +7, Chabot +7, Hamilton +7, McNabb +7, Nurse +7.
Doughty likely gets the pick if he's feeling ok but Weegar and Tanev would be good picks too. Whichever of them get picked should be in the starting lineup ahead of Parayko tho.
Goalies:
assholes