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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

Mid-1st rounders

F CMB (20, #9): 6'6.5" hgt / 7'0.75" wng / 8'10.0" sr / 243.2 wgt
F Agbaji (25, #14): 6'4.5" hgt / 6'10.25" wng / 8'80" sr / 216.8 wgt
G Dick (22, #13): 6'6.25" hgt / 6'8.75" wng / 8'5.0" sr / 204.0 wgt
G Walter (21, #19): 6'4.25" hgt / 6'10.0" wng / 8'6.5" sr / 197.6 wgt

Bullish on these guys tbh. I don't know that they'll ever be good starters but I think they should be good bench guys - I think Walter already was by the end of the year, and i think Dick and Agbaji should be much more effective in smaller bench roles than the pseudo-starter roles they had last year. And CMB should be good at what he does.

2nd rounders

F Mogbo (24, #31): 6'6.25'"hgt / 7'2.0" wng / 9'0.5" sr / 217.2 wgt
G Martin (24, #39): 6'1.5" hgt / 6'7.5" wng / 8'3.5" sr / 208.4 wgt
G Shead (23, #45): 6'0.25" hgt / 6'3.0" wng / 8'0.0" sr / 200.8 wgt

Mogbo and Shead showed some usefulness last year but weren't very good overall. But they might turn into something. And i imagine Martin's in a similar boat.

Undrafted

C Omoryui (24, N/A): 6'9.0" hgt / 7'6.25" wng / 9'2.5" sr / 243.2 wgy
C Castleton (25, N/A): 6'10.5" hgt / 7'3.25 wng / 9'2.5" sr / 233.6 wgt
F Battle (24, N/A): 6'7.25" hgt / 6'9.0" wng / 8'8.0" sr / 218.0 wgt
F Rhoden (26, N/A): 6'4.5" hgt / 6'11.0" wng / 8'8.0" sr / 200.6 wgt
G Lawson (25, N/A): 6'5.5" hgt / 6'6.75" wng / 8'3.5" sr / 179.2 wgt
G Hepburn (22, N/A): 6'0.5" hgt / 6'4.5" wng / 8'0.5" sr / 189.0 wgt

probably nothing here.
 
MindzEye said:
Starters:
Jake
Scottie
Ingram
RJ
IQ

Rotation:
Dick
Okai
Walter
Mogbo
Shead

Deep Bench
CMB
Castleton
Battle
Lawson

So yeah, the starters are solid but we're not remotely deep enough to handle injuries at anything other than SG imo. Like, there's a warm body to fill the slot, but fuck this might get ugly if we run into 2 starter injuries at the same time. Also, if Jake goes down...Castleton is your starting 5. Lol fuck.

Yeah, I wouldn't hate doing something like RJ for Monk + 2nds so that we can turn around and spend a bit in free agency.
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I mean we probably would have made the playoffs last year if we didn't obviously tank, and we didn't have BI at all. One significant injury puts us back where we would have been last year if we'd ever have been healthy.
 
zeke said:
I mean we probably would have made the playoffs last year if we didn't obviously tank, and we didn't have BI at all. One significant injury puts us back where we would have been last year if we'd ever have been healthy.
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My concern is that I look at what we're going into the season with, and it reminds me of this:

C - Precious
PF - Pascal
SF - OG
SG - Scottie
PG - Fred

6 - Gary
7 - Boucher
8 - Juancho
9 - Thad
10 - Koloko
11 - Malachi

Not in upside, obviously the bag of kids we have in house are a better looking group long term. But in terms of effectiveness this year and the amount of damage it did to the competitiveness of an above average starting group.
 
MindzEye said:
My concern is that I look at what we're going into the season with, and it reminds me of this:
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MindzEye said:
C - Precious
PF - Pascal
SF - OG
SG - Scottie
PG - Fred
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MindzEye said:
6 - Gary
7 - Boucher
8 - Juancho
9 - Thad
10 - Koloko
11 - Malachi
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Not in upside, obviously the bag of kids we have in house are a better looking group long term. But in terms of effectiveness this year and the amount of damage it did to the competitiveness of an above average starting group.
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For me that looks way different.

That looks more like last year - 4 good to very good starting NBAers, tho with no legit #1 scoring option, and then a big black hole in the 5th spot (filled by Precious/Gary that year which is just as bad as Agbaji/Dick trying to fill that 5th hole last year).

The 5th legit NBA starter this year makes all the difference in the world imo - and even better, this time the starting 5 actually includes a go-to shot creating scorer, which that team also didn't have.

and then that bench - Juancho and Thadd were complete toast, and left the NBA the next season. Koloko/Flynn were in that Mogbo/Shead tier of youngster, though iirc they were even worse in the nerdies than Mogbo/Shead were as rookies last year. Boucher as Boucher fair enough.

I'd say a better comp would be:

Valanciunas 25
Ibaka 28
Siakam 23
Derozan 28
Lowry 31

Poeltl 22 #9
Anunoby 20 #23
Caboclo 22 #20
Wright 25 #20

Powell 24 #46
FVV 23 UDFT



Poeltl 30
Barnes 24
Ingram 28
Barrett 25
Quickley 26

CMB 20 #9
Agbaji 25 #14
DIck 22 #13
Walter 21 #19

Mogbo 24 #31
Martin 24 #39
Shead 23 #45
 
Maybe....but even then, that bench had CJ Miles (who was pretty good that season), Norm with 2 seasons of good bench work under his belt already, Delon who had looked excellent in limited minutes the year before....and then the 3 who all broke out together the next year and formed the bench mob, Pascal, Fred, and Jake. That was, after all, a team that had won 50+ two years in a row before 17-18 and 48 or more for 4 years straight. The culture was in a different place.

We don't have a single bench body going into this season that was as good as CJ, Norm, and Delon were the previous season. It's all Pascal, Fred's, and Jake's. Young guys who varying level of sucked the year before that we're hoping for a jump forward from.

But yeah, I see what you're saying.
 
Even if we are a playoff team with the starters and i think we are i suspect we are play in or first round bounce and the only real long term growth guys we have are these young kids where i dont see alot of ceiling

and even though we didnt use him, not replacing Boucher is huge, he was often the only bench guy with a pulse
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Also there are legit reasons to think Masai was slipping and this was reasonable and equal Bumblefuck Eddie got involved and the Dark Ages are a coming again.
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Even if Masai was slipping...you get rid of him but keep the entire organization underneath him including interviewing his right hand to replace him?

Ehhh...no.
 
MindzEye said:
Maybe....but even then, that bench had CJ Miles (who was pretty good that season), Norm with 2 seasons of good bench work under his belt already, Delon who had looked excellent in limited minutes the year before....and then the 3 who all broke out together the next year and formed the bench mob, Pascal, Fred, and Jake. That was, after all, a team that had won 50+ two years in a row before 17-18 and 48 or more for 4 years straight. The culture was in a different place.

We don't have a single bench body going into this season that was as good as CJ, Norm, and Delon were the previous season. It's all Pascal, Fred's, and Jake's. Young guys who varying level of sucked the year before that we're hoping for a jump forward from.

But yeah, I see what you're saying.
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I actually take back my comp.

That team had two starting spots filled with non fulltime starters - Jonas/Poeltl at C and OG/Pascal as rookie/sophs in the SF slot.

I'm now trying to remember when we've ever had 5 legit starting calibre players and it's only the 2 years we had gasol.

Obviously we have no Kawhi but the team the year after the chip might be a comparison.
 
We aren't paying Myers, let's be real.

Charles is already in the organization and it really sounds like Pelley is looking for a business guy, not a basketball guy. Charles is a business guy.
 
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