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leafman101 said:
I don't think Mo was necessarily a problem on the PP, moreso that he was useless beside Marner QBing, and having Knies net front presence was more valuable.

No reason Mo can't just go back to PP1 and replace Marner though. Thats the only area he was still good last year.

And unless you get someone like Karlsson/Hamilton there is no better option.
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Agreed, Mo and Marner basically have the same skillset on the PP with Marner being better at that archetype. Would like to see a lot less hold and watch on the PP going forward though. Marner skating circles looking for seam passes had a bad habit of evaporating in effectiveness when we needed goals against good teams.
 
trujaysfan said:
We could always just go get hot Karl.
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Could...but:

PP last 2 seasons:

Karlsson: .49 G/60 - 2.59 P1/60 - 3.94 P/60
Rielly: .35 G/60 - 2.63 P1/60 - 5.96 P/60

Now...I'm senstitive to the argument that Karlsson being able to shoot the puck would lead to more open ice for others to work in, and I'm sensitive to the argument that despite having Sid, Gino et all to work with out there, Rielly had better talent that caused the huge cap in secondary assists. But it also can't be completely dismissed that Rielly's skills we've already spoken about (mobility and distribution) is showing up heavily in secondary assists by keeping plays alive and the puck moving from side to side, while at the same time matching Karlsson in direct play generation.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgb-_W1w0oQ

Karl will also do stuff like this, which was awesome in this case, but he's still a tier above Rielly offensively for me, and having both would be pretty great. The problem is, I don't see Crosby being willing to let him go, and if he did go, it would signal the end of the era over there, and they haven't thrown in the towel - yet. I do expect that they'll be out of the playoffs this season and will look to deal Malkin at the deadline, and EK probably goes to someone as well, with most of the year done and just one year remaining. And then Crosby himself would have just a year left and maybe try to engineer an early exit, since I think he's itching for a final cup run to cap off the career.

The biggest impediment for us though is Dubie. I don't think he will want to do the Leafs any favors whatsoever, and they only way he trades us EK is if it's in a hilariously ugly deal for us.
 
If he's an actual tier above Rielly, why doesn't he produce a tier above Rielly?

30 yr old Karlsson vs 30 yr old Rielly? No arguments there. 35 yr old Karlsson vs 31 yr old Rielly though....ehhhhh
 
Dunno, but the way he rushes, handles the puck, passes, shoots, all still look better. But I love Rielly and have shot down the calls to trade him. And I’d keep him over EK right now for age, term, and aav reasons. I’d like to add EK without deleting MR.
 
The concern with Mo is where he is going. Over the last 3 years he's gone from an elite skater and 5 v5 producer to a good skater and shit 5v5 producer. He was basically OEL last year.

Karlsson is still elite at both.
 
Hot Karl appears to be the best move available if we are looking for a PMD which can play PP1 or PP2.

Cost of acquisition won't be super high, still putting up 50+ pts per season, only signed for 2 more years.
 
It'll take something real good in trade, especially to get the needed retention, and Dubie is probably more fuck the Leafs than even Marner.
 
Why would Karlsson need something real good?

Pittsburgh has no need for him, maybe a couple teams in the entire league would look at a 35 year old D making $10mil.

1 asset, cap filler is all I would assume is needed for him.

Robertson, mid pick or B level prospect, krok/kampf for karl at $7MM
 
If someone is taking his full $10M, then yeah, I could see it being inexpensive.

But to have them retain $5M, which we'd surely want/need to do, is going to cost.

I guess playing with the pieces might help, like them taking Kampf, especially if Dubie sees value in him, would cut the retention in half, but still not as good as having EK at a true $5M and then dumping Kampf elsewhere for a pick since that would give us another $2.4M to spend on the team rather than to pile it into EK. I still have to believe Keefe would want him in NJ.

Adding EK also pushes someone out. Carlo? OEL? Allowing someone and their hit to go for the forward we need.

Still definitely feels like 1 or 2 sizable moves are still ahead of us.
 
leafman101 said:
The concern with Mo is where he is going. Over the last 3 years he's gone from an elite skater and 5 v5 producer to a good skater and shit 5v5 producer. He was basically OEL last year.

Karlsson is still elite at both.
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Karlsson was 19th in P/60 among defenders last year, so yeah we might be splitting hairs here but that's not elite imo. Also, Berube has this weird thing of his about matching Tanev-McCabe with the Matthews line and then the whole stretch pass/dump and chase thing. Karlsson is going to see a reduction in offensive production playing 5v5 minutes with Nic Roy playing dump and chase hockey too.

I mean, did Rielly decline:

21/22: 1.46 P/60
22/23: 1.05 P/60
23/24: 1.31 P/60
24/25: .77 P/60

Or did Berube and his shitty brand of hockey happen?

That's not to argue that there aren't Mo concerns of course, but I'm not at all convinced that Karlsson is the solution to those concerns either. Also, Rielly almost definitely isn't waiving to go to Pittsburgh, so I don't see a swap working there.
 
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Karlsson would need to be in addition to rielly.

My guess is move Carlo who has value around the league for a forward and the Karlsson takes his place in the lineup.

Looking at the other contender who could be interested:
Vegas, florida, dallas and the Oilers dont have the space or cap dumps to make it worthwhile.
Lightning would need to dump someone of value,
Caps already have a Carlsson
Hurricanes have the cap space but already have puck movers on D.
Avs dont need another puck mover.

Only other team i see that could add a Karlsson and has space would be the Kings.
 
MindzEye said:
Karlsson was 19th in P/60 among defenders last year, so yeah we might be splitting hairs here but that's not elite imo. Also, Berube has this weird thing of his about matching Tanev-McCabe with the Matthews line and then the whole stretch pass/dump and chase thing. Karlsson is going to see a reduction in offensive production playing 5v5 minutes with Nic Roy playing dump and chase hockey too.

I mean, did Rielly decline:

21/22: 1.46 P/60
22/23: 1.05 P/60
23/24: 1.31 P/60
24/25: .77 P/60

Or did Berube and his shitty brand of hockey happen?

That's not to argue that there aren't Mo concerns of course, but I'm not at all convinced that Karlsson is the solution to those concerns either. Also, Rielly almost definitely isn't waiving to go to Pittsburgh, so I don't see a swap working there.
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It’s hard to believe Morgan was 3rd best in p/60 among Leaf defenders

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LeafOfFaith said:
If someone is taking his full $10M, then yeah, I could see it being inexpensive.

But to have them retain $5M, which we'd surely want/need to do, is going to cost.

I guess playing with the pieces might help, like them taking Kampf, especially if Dubie sees value in him, would cut the retention in half, but still not as good as having EK at a true $5M and then dumping Kampf elsewhere for a pick since that would give us another $2.4M to spend on the team rather than to pile it into EK. I still have to believe Keefe would want him in NJ.

Adding EK also pushes someone out. Carlo? OEL? Allowing someone and their hit to go for the forward we need.

Still definitely feels like 1 or 2 sizable moves are still ahead of us.
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How much is EK actually worth though? Wouldn’t Pittsburgh have to retain just to get him to market value?
 
Cojo said:
How much is EK actually worth though? Wouldn’t Pittsburgh have to retain just to get him to market value?
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I don't know, I have a hard time assessing. Because I'd really like to have him, but I'm sure there aren't too many suitors willing to pay for max retention, and certainly nobody who would take the full contract on. And with all the other geezers on the roster, who will be staying on the roster for this season, with the exception of Malkin maybe, it's not like Pittsburgh is so desperate to dump him either because what would it really achieve unless they're getting a really good return?
 
CH1 said:
It’s hard to believe Morgan was 3rd best in p/60 among Leaf defenders

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He was, but 1st in P1/60. McCabe-Tanev spent the year getting offensive zone usage with the Matthews line, for reasons that I can't quite understand, so did well in secondary assists at 5v5.

OEL though, from a guy who played mostly as a 4-5 swiss army knife, produced well. I think the dump and chase style of play worked for him. A lot of pumping the puck back to the blueline and he's always been pretty solid at getting pucks on net.
 
Dom is out with his annual list of best/worst contracts but what I took from it is that Sean McIndoe is a national treasure

Excerpt from his piece

The list of best contracts proved two things: The model doesn’t understand how good that one guy on your favorite team is because it doesn’t watch the games, nerd. And also, Jack Hughes probably really hates reading this list every year. In fairness, the player who ranks No. 1 on this list signed his maximum-length $8 million deal in 2021 when he was 20 years old and the cap was flat, and nobody could have predicted that his production would increase and the cap would rise, except for literally everyone on the planet.

Oh, and be sure to check out Dom’s writeup for Sam Bennett, which is as close as you’ll come this week to seeing a human and a computer throw haymakers at each other in an alleyway.
 
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