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2014 NHL Draft Thread

trujaysfan said:
Drafting for need is the dubmest thing a team can do... prospects are 3-4 years away from making an impact and you don't know what your needs will be at that point.

BPA and if 2 players are even then take the one that plays the premium position.

ALWAYS MAXIMIZE YOUR ASSETS IN HOCKEY LIKE IN LIFE
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That is pretty generous for picks outside of the top 5.
 
At least the Leafs have shown they're not afraid to pick a high skill player (Rielly, Kadri) in the Top 10. That helps my nervousness a little.

I always wonder though how much influence Burke had in those picks.
 
hockeylover said:
If they shared your stance on his upside, then I'd be more than OK with picking him where they picked him. At least I'd understand the logic.

My issue is that they have the stance that he's only a third liner and picked him anyway which is irritating.
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Yeah, I get that. I grind my teeth when they call him a 3rd liner for both similar reasons, and differing reasons to why you do.
 
trujaysfan said:
"Impact" may have been the wrong word... maybe establishing themselves as a full time NHLer. Impact is probably 5-6 years
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Ya. Probably a scale...1-3 years for lets say top 5 or 10 picks. 3-5 years for other first rounders - 5+ for others.
 
He is right in the sense that you need a bunch of different things, and you can't just base it on who scored the most (although it would probably improve their odds) but skill is still the most important thing. Or maybe most important in combination with the right work ethic.

Pretty much all the good 3rd and 4th liners were skilled players that did what they had to do to have success in the NHL. Look at guys like Stoll and Willie Mitchell. Stoll scored 100 points in his post draft year, and 68 points in his second year in the NHL. Mitchell was a ppg guy in college, who said Lemaire told him "your big, fast, have skill, play defense first and you'll have a long career otherwise you'll be out of the NHL".

You don't draft guys to be 3rd liners. You draft guys who are good hockey players and motivated and then its up to your development to get what you need out of them.
 
Pronger84 said:
The reason is this- Nowadays very few good players are available by trade, even fewer make it to the open market.... so if you can address a key need then you use the draft to do it. For instance, if theres an elite centre available but the most skilled player is a winger (as an example) is available at said postion... it's an easy pick, take the centre to address a weakness.
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Using current needs to guide selections that won't be able to fill said need (if they're ever able to) for 4-7 years is a really, really bad idea.

Always take the best player available, always, always. Very good players are traded all the time, and very good players are available in free agency all the time. Elite players aren't commonly moved, but "very good"...yep, all the time.
 
leafman101 said:
He is right in the sense that you need a bunch of different things, and you can't just base it on who scored the most (although it would probably improve their odds) but skill is still the most important thing. Or maybe most important in combination with the right work ethic.

Pretty much all the good 3rd and 4th liners were skilled players that did what they had to do to have success in the NHL. Look at guys like Stoll and Willie Mitchell. Stoll scored 100 points in his post draft year, and 68 points in his second year in the NHL. Mitchell was a ppg guy in college, who said Lemaire told him "your big, fast, have skill, play defense first and you'll have a long career otherwise you'll be out of the NHL".

You don't draft guys to be 3rd liners. You draft guys who are good hockey players and motivated and then its up to your development to get what you need out of them.
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Oh absolutely, a team needs all sorts of different players to build a winner. Your head scout shouldn't be worried about that though, and should be worried about generating the most talent possible. Let the GM worry about the mixture, the scouting department should concern itself with assets. The highest concentration of quality assets and let the GM do his thing.

There's nothing easier than trading skill to address other "non skill" deficiencies, and nothing harder than trading non skill for skill. The scouting department should be worried about making sure the GM's clip is always full.
 
Yeah, you are looking for the best hockey player. Not "oh this guy can be our 3rd line winger, or this guy can be our #2 dman". Just take the best players.
 
I think teams will jump on Ritchie and Virtanen and drop one or two of the top offensive players to 8. Having a choice between Nylander and Ehlers shouldn't happen at 8 IMO.

Bobo's list is usually a good indicator of how the draft will go.
 
Bob McKenzie's Top 60:
1. Aaron Ekblad - D
2. Sam Reinhart - C
3. Sam Bennett - C
4. Leon Draisaitl - C
5. Michael Dal Colle - LW
6. Nick Ritchie - LW
7. Jake Virtanen - LW
8. Haydn Fleury - D
9. William Nylander - LW
10. Nikolaj Ehlers - RW
11. Kasperi Kapanen - RW
12. Dylan Larkin - C
13. Brendan Perlini - LW
14. Robert Fabbri - C
15. Kevin Fiala - C
16. Jared McCann - C
17. Alex Tuch - RW
18. Sonny Milano - LW
19. Jakub Vrana - RW
20. Julius Honka - D
21. Nikita Scherbak - LW
22. David Pastrnak - RW
23. Ivan Barbashev - C
24. Travis Sanheim - D
25. Roland McKeown - D
26. Nick Schmaltz - C
27. Thatcher Demko - G
28. Adrian Kempe - LW
29. Conner Bleackley - C
30. Josh Ho Sang - C
31. Anthony DeAngelo - D
32. John Quenneville - C
33. Brendan Lemieux - LW
34. Ryan MacInnis - C
35. Jack Dougherty - D
36. Marcus Pettersson - D
37. Nikolay Goldobin - LW
38. Dominik Masin - D
39. Anton Karlsson - RW
40. Brett Pollock - LW
41. Eric Cornel - C
42. Alex Nedeljkovic - G
43. Vladislav Kamenev - C
44. Andreas Englund - D
45. Bryce Martin - D
46. Jack Glover - D
47. Vaclav Karabacek - RW
48. Warren Foegele - LW
49. Jayce Hawryluk - RW
50. Ryan Donato - C
51. Ben Thomas - D
52. Hunter Smith - RW
53. Mason McDonald - G
54. Alex Peters - D
55. Nicolas Aube-Kubel - C
56. Jonathan MacLeod - D
57. Ondrej Kase - RW
58. Brayden Point - C
59. Keegan Iverson - C
60. Jake Walman - D

Honourable Mention:
• Clark Bishop - C
• Ryan Collins - D
• Christian Dvorak - LW
• Kaapo Kahkonen - G
• Alexis Vanier - D

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455555

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=95289
 
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