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2019-Whenever Misc. Grab Bag Thread

BTW … I go to the mountains for a few days to help my kids out with relocation stuff and all hell breaks loose. Ain’t it always the way
 
I don't care who is funding that buyout in the end. My problem is "why would anyone be owed a buyout from anyone if they QUIT". I can understand NC State receiving money from LSU because obviously they pushed Wade to quit.

And yes, I know this is actually not all that uncommon for high paid executives. C suite people 'retire', 'quit' or are forced out of their position and are paid massive sums on their way out the door. But I'm sorry, if you are college coach, there is no way I'm agreeing to pay you a dime if you quit your job, even if someone else is giving us that money that we will then give to you (what if just legitimately quit and never coached again?) Why would I even consider doing that?
 
cmaleski2 said:
I don't care who is funding that buyout in the end. My problem is "why would anyone be owed a buyout from anyone if they QUIT". I can understand NC State receiving money from LSU because obviously they pushed Wade to quit.

And yes, I know this is actually not all that uncommon for high paid executives. C suite people 'retire', 'quit' or are forced out of their position and are paid massive sums on their way out the door. But I'm sorry, if you are college coach, there is no way I'm agreeing to pay you a dime if you quit your job, even if someone else is giving us that money that we will then give to you (what if just legitimately quit and never coached again?) Why would I even consider doing that?
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OK, gotcha.

Yeah, it’s C Suite stuff, pretty much … but it’s just supposed to deter poaching of high value personnel that are expensive to replace. I don;t think it works any better in the corporate world than it does in the sports world. Those with more money than patience (or sense) always seem to find a way.
 
jeffbear said:
OK, gotcha.

Yeah, it’s C Suite stuff, pretty much … but it’s just supposed to deter poaching of high value personnel that are expensive to replace. I don;t think it works any better in the corporate world than it does in the sports world. Those with more money than patience (or sense) always seem to find a way.
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Unfortunately this type of philosophy infects many layers of a “company” these days. An employee sucks and is a risk to the company but legal says it’s better (and cheaper) to fire them and pay them and Jackie Chiles (pardon the Seinfeld reference) instead of taking them to court. Oh well.
 
Will Wade did not get the buyout money. NC State got the buyout money. They negotiated a deal where LSU paid them for $4 million to allow Wade to leave his contract early without penalty. The original amount in his contract was 5 million but NC State negotiated down to four just to move on. They will use that 4 million to help hire a new coach. But he didn’t get buyout money. Only coaches that are fired without cause get buyout money.

For instance, of Carolina was to hire say Nate Oates from Alabama they would have to pay Alabama 19 million to buy out the contract but Nate Oates does not get that 19 million Alabama does.
 
Rod says, “I'm sure there's a guy out there that still has that attachment to the place. I think that would be a start..."

Justin Gainey!!
 
Gainey has never been a head coach, which invites some concerns but yeah … culturally you couldn’t find a better fit and he’d probably bring Levi Watkins with him. Watkins has been around the State program off and on for a long time now. And there’s some who have told me that Boo was pushing Gainey last year. He’ll be involved in the process, and apparently Corrigan is at least asking about St Louis coach Josh Schertz, who is one of the better offensive minds in college. I’ve seen Phil Martelli Jr’s name floating around too. I’ve got all kinds of respect for his Dad and the kid has done great at VCU. Those are both solid guys who have won at lower levels, although Shertz has more experience. I like the Furman coach Bob Richey as well. Another solid coach who has stuck it out through some tough circumstances to build a winner at a not so easy place to win. I’m less into old guys and retreads than most, and more concerned about the right fit and a guy who freaking knows how to coach modern basketball. But hey, nobody’s paying me to run a search. Boo is the one getting the big bigs for those headaches.

And yes, maybe I missed any lingering confusion but STATE is the one getting the check for $4 million in the buyout deal. I thought that was clear in what I posted.
 
Sounds like the State search might be clicking along quickly. They have a board of trustees meeting today to discuss the next basketball hire. Whether that’s to discuss contract offer parameters or to preliminarily approve a hire, we’ll see. Could be either. There’s a lot of smoke that Wade may not have been as discreet about his interest in LSU as has been reported and that State probably knew this was at least a possibility for a while now. Plus, Corrigan did just run a search last year so his candidate list won’t be all that stale.
 
jeffbear said:
And yes, maybe I missed any lingering confusion but STATE is the one getting the check for $4 million in the buyout deal. I thought that was clear in what I posted.
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I was replying to someone else who said he didn’t care who paid the buyout but was wondering how anyone who quit should be owed a buyout. So I was letting him know wade didn’t get the buyout State did
 
NoMich said:
Have you heard anything new with the Carolina search?
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Not much. It’s been the same 3-4 since the beginning but nothing concrete. Lloyd, Dusty May, Donovan. Some others swear they aren’t leaving their school, but have reached out to UNC anyway…Funny how that works…. But other than knowing that Donovan would want the job just not sure he’s #1 on UNC’s list…the others are hard to nail down. Hard to tell if they’re just wrangling for a raise and if UNC is really interested. The basketball side does a decent job of keeping their mouth shut so it’s hard to gauge where things are right now. They had a ton of interest but other than being able to narrow down 4-5 guys, it’s been fairly quiet. Donovan has made it no secret…since the job first opened when Roy retired…that the UNC job is the only one he would leave the NBA for, just not sure how interested UNC is at this point. I have been busy the last couple nights so I haven’t gotten an update since Wednesday.
 
I didn’t realize that Donovan has only been in the NBA for 10 years. It seems like forever ago that he was coaching Florida.
 
andyt said:
I didn’t realize that Donovan has only been in the NBA for 10 years. It seems like forever ago that he was coaching Florida.
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It does, doesn’t it. Also I meant to add that we don’t have any confirmation that official interviews have taken place because the 3-4 they are focused on…. For now…are all still playing. However, the search firm UNC hired is allowed to speak with them or their reps, so conversations have taken place. There was no real interest in Oats At Alabama because they don’t ‘love’ his current style of play…. Like jacking up 47 3’s in a tournament game for example. We were told his reps reached out for a conversation but nothing materialized.

The Lloyd situation is interesting. The very loose tie here is he coached under Mark Few at Gonzaga for 2 decades and Roy and Few are really good friends. Lloyd used to talk to Roy a lot for advice. Even more important is that even though he has been great at Arizona, he does not have a good relationship with the AD. Word is the AD is a bit of a ‘problem’.

The portal opens up after the championship game but we’ve also heard UNC is willing to ‘punt’ next season to get the right guy. So they don’t have a problem waiting, even if the fans are going bonkers online lol.

It will be interesting to see who they end up with. Could be someone out of left field for all I know at this moment but it appears focused on the three I mentioned.
 
I think the issue with Donovan IS going to be the timing. Carolina may say they’re willing to punt this portal window, but that’s the kind of thing that sounds good right until you have to swallow the consequences of actually doing it. Maybe 5-10 years of Billy Donovan running the program is worth burning down one year … maybe not. Not my call. It’s not like they don’t have other options.

Apparently State is going full court press on Schertz at SLU, from what I’ve heard. If they can’t figure that out pretty quickly, I feel like they’ve got a couple of other options to fall back on … Gainey for sure, and at least one other coach I haven’t gotten a name on. My guess would be either Martelli or Richey, but those are purely a guesses based on fit. FWIW, a couple of Corrigan’s other preferred options in 2025 took jobs and did quite well, so State fans not giving him the benefit of the doubt on this are being dumb. They’re mostly the same people who were all in on Wade, so their judgement is less than spectacular.
 
jeffbear said:
I think the issue with Donovan IS going to be the timing. Carolina may say they’re willing to punt this portal window, but that’s the kind of thing that sounds good right until you have to swallow the consequences of actually doing it. Maybe 5-10 years of Billy Donovan running the program is worth burning down one year … maybe not. Not my call. It’s not like they don’t have other options.

Apparently State is going full court press on Schertz at SLU, from what I’ve heard. If they can’t figure that out pretty quickly, I feel like they’ve got a couple of other options to fall back on … Gainey for sure, and at least one other coach I haven’t gotten a name on. My guess would be either Martelli or Richey, but those are purely a guesses based on fit. FWIW, a couple of Corrigan’s other preferred options in 2025 took jobs and did quite well, so State fans not giving him the benefit of the doubt on this are being dumb. They’re mostly the same people who were all in on Wade, so their judgement is less than spectacular.
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Right. I think there first choice is Lloyd and Donovan is 2nd or even 3rd. There is also rumors of a 4th that they have done a remarkable job of keeping quiet. We aren’t even getting any hints at this mystery coach.
 
I freaking love a mystery candidate. They chum the waters and then everybody gets to have an opinion on who it is after the fact … until some reporter finds out it was the ghost of Phog Allen or something equally preposterous. That way, in this case, they can keep the Brad Stevens buzz from completely dying out.

State’s had a bunch of those over years, and sadly we even hired one … Sidney Lowe. Ugh. That went super well.
 
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