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2023 Draft and UFA Thread

WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
The thing to remember, however, is that Michkov's KHL club will be able to offer him a shit ton more money than the Habs or any other NHL team because whether he shows up in 2024 or 2034, he will have to accept the rookie minimum for 3 years.
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Not true.

ELC contract length is dependent on the age the player signs his contract. Between 18 to 21, the ELC is three years. 22 to 23, two and 24 & up, one.

Michkov will probably sign his ELC at 21 and come to the NHL immediately to burn the first year à la Romanov/Caufield/Farrell. Then he'll have two years of an ELC before he'll get a crazy deal, assuming he's as good as I think he is.
 
CH1 said:
I'm curious how often someone like Boisvert has seen Michkov play.
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He does all of his scouting at home with an online service that allows him to watch a player's full game in 20 or so minutes.

If the KHL / MHL games Michkov played in are available online, he's seen 'em.
 
Random thought.

For what seems like the last 20 years, there's always been the so-called "Russian Factor", where a Russian player would have concerns about him because nobody was sure if they'd actually come over to North America. You had players like Kuznetsov, who was seen as a top 5 to 10 talent, fall all the way down to the late first because they weren't sure if he'd come over. Kaprizov, in terms of talent alone, was a project late first player who dropped to the 5th.

During that time period: Can any of you name me a single notable Russian prospect that didn't end up coming to North America? Or how about this: Can any of you name the notable Russian prospects that took an ungodly amount of time before they came over?

The only two prospects I can think of that fit the bill. Kirill Kaprizov took 5 years and Alexei Emelin took 7 years.

Literally every other notable Russian prospects - without exception - came to North America in a timely fashion.

If you're not going to take him because, hurr durr ruski hurrrrrrr hes not gonna come hurrrr, then I think you need to re-evaluate things.
 
GGpX said:
Random thought.

For what seems like the last 20 years, there's always been the so-called "Russian Factor", where a Russian player would have concerns about him because nobody was sure if they'd actually come over to North America. You had players like Kuznetsov, who was seen as a top 5 to 10 talent, fall all the way down to the late first because they weren't sure if he'd come over. Kaprizov, in terms of talent alone, was a project late first player who dropped to the 5th.

During that time period: Can any of you name me a single notable Russian prospect that didn't end up coming to North America? Or how about this: Can any of you name the notable Russian prospects that took an ungodly amount of time before they came over?

The only two prospects I can think of that fit the bill. Kirill Kaprizov took 5 years and Alexei Emelin took 7 years.

Literally every other notable Russian prospects - without exception - came to North America in a timely fashion.

If you're not going to take him because, hurr durr ruski hurrrrrrr hes not gonna come hurrrr, then I think you need to re-evaluate things.
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It’s not a matter of “coming over to NA” it about coming over immediately to NA. Kuznetsov took 4-KHL seasons before doing so, Kucherov dropped to 2nd due to questions if he had NHL calibre game and needing to come over right away to get experience / adaptation to NHL ice.

Arpon Basu addresses that topic in The Athletic i posted earlier:

The one thing about Michkov’s contract status that is perhaps being lost in what has already become a raging debate among fans is that it is not only about him not being available until 2026 at the very earliest. For an organization that has banked on its ability to develop players, that believes in its methods and personnel, leaving that development to a third party for three crucially important development years would be a massive leap of faith.

The Canadiens — or any team that drafts Michkov — would have no say on how he is developed from age 18 to 21 and would have to hope that a highly competitive KHL franchise that knows he will one day be leaving for the NHL will do everything to ensure his long-term development will be prioritized over short-term concerns. Will he be allowed to play through mistakes? Will he be given opportunities in big moments? Will his future be seen as more important than the present?

This, I would imagine, is what scares the Canadiens more than anything else about Michkov.
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GMs like keeping their jobs, w draft being a crapshoot to begin with and GMs tenure avg 5-years does a GM really want to play with fire?

George McPhee was replaced as GM when Kuznetsov joined the Caps…
 
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I really bet Washington wishes they had taken Brock Nelson or Charlie Coyle instead.

Funny thing about Brock Nelson: He made his NHL debut 5 months before Kuznetsov did despite already being in North America.

Boy those risky Ruskies.
 
Sal_Butera said:
It’s not a matter of “coming over to NA” it about coming over immediately to NA. Kuznetsov took 4-KHL seasons before doing so, Kucherov dropped to 2nd due to questions if he had NHL calibre game and needing to come over right away to get experience / adaptation to NHL ice.

Arpon Basu addresses that topic in The Athletic i posted earlier:



GMs like keeping their jobs, w draft being a crapshoot to begin with and GMs tenure avg 5-years does a GM really want to play with fire?

George McPhee was replaced as GM when Kuznetsov joined the Caps…
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Yes. Elite talent develop themselves
 
GGpX said:
I really bet Washington wishes they had taken Brock Nelson or Charlie Coyle instead.

Funny thing about Brock Nelson: He made his NHL debut 5 months before Kuznetsov did despite already being in North America.

Boy those risky Ruskies.
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Preaching to the choir
 
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