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2024-25 Canes Miscellaneous Thread

Fayettenamcanesfan said:
Look, my situation with Maurice is different because I know him and worked with/for him for several years. I really liked him….. his players, staff and other employees did too. Whether you like him as a coach or what he says, is one thing, but he’s not a douchebag or any other shithole name you want to give him. He’s a really good guy and has turned into a pretty damn good coach. There are plenty of douchebags and awful people in this world you can apply that label too if you wish. Sorry you guys disagree but Maurice is the furthest from a bad guy in this league as you can get.
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Let me tell you a story. So when Jesse Boulerice was a rookie in the NHL. I know I had one of the first of his jerseys because my young teenaged daughter wanted it and asked for his jersey as a Christmas present. I worked near the rec center so I told my wife I was going to order on and get it signed. That's when she chimes in and said she wanted a Francis signed for Xmas. Wtf. Okay. Of course they couldn't be replicas.
 
Long story short I head to the Rec at lunch. No stars are there but Jesse was and signed it and personalized to to my daughter. Not many people there took about 10 minutes.
 
I figured I go back the next day, easy peasy done with Christmas. It wasn't a great experience the next day. Let me start by saying, I understand why Francis was how he was. Either they practiced longer the next day or I got there earlier but the lobby was packed and full of kids and mom's mostly. Total different vibe than the day before. They kids weren't looking just to see the players but to get them to sign cards because they would be worth more. Which in hindsight hilarious because of the market for Canes signed stuff.
 
Practice ends, first 3 off the ice are Wes, O'Neil and Francis. Walk by everyone and go straight into the locker room. It's been a while, so don't know how long it was but Maurice comes off the ice into the lobby. He asked if everyone "got what they wanted" or something like that. Mom's said they didn't etc. Francis comes back out, gets mobbed and starts signing stuff. I wasn't going to run in front of kids and don't think I even left my seat but on of the mom's I was talking to grab the jersey and he signed it. I just said thank you Mr. Francis, it's a Christmas present and never asked anyone for an auto again.
 
Now there is always the story of Hedican chewing me out for not having anything for him to sign then realized I was with my wife and just holding her stuff after the cup in a sth event.
 
jeffbear said:
Yeah, the more I think about it, the Necas stuff means exactly as much now as it did when he was a Carolina player ... not much. Every contract cycle when he's back in Europe we get these smoke signals of general discontent. I honestly think it's all just that. Smoke. Translated into real talk it just means that he wants everybody to know that he's going UFA as soon as the calendar will allow him, whether he's playing for Colorado, Carolina or somebody else. Is he actually unhappy? Yes. He's unhappy that he's not getting paid UFA money yet and that he hasn't been able to pick his landing spot. Otherwise? Whatever. He's going to have a monster year next season either way. Because at the end of it he gets to live out his real dream ... being a top player in play in the free agent market.
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CBA rules say that we can't sign him for a year or two even if we did want to welcome him back with his tail between his legs, right?
 
We could re-sign Necas. He was traded by us with no salary retention. We can trade back for him and sign him to an extension, or sign Necas as a UFA. No restrictions if you just trade a player to another team.
 
Honestly, while I always enjoyed watching him play, I have very little interest in the Canes bringing back Necas. The phrase "more trouble than he's worth" always leaps to mind. If the Canes are going to over-pay a guy, and they probably are, then I'd like to be a player who consistently produces traditional counting stats
 
Keep seeing all the usual trade rumors, and chatter about who the Canes are going to sign this summer. Mitch Marner is the highlight of that talk. Isn't he looking for $14m?
 
Yeah, the market seems to be trending down on Marner so I don't think Draisaitl's number ($14 million AAV) is his target anymore ... at least not with a good team. Chicago or Anaheim might go there, but that's going to be a test of whether the money is worth more than the situation because both of those scenarios come with a lot of warts. I think there's two market for Marner ... the bad teams with tons of Cap and good teams with budgets to maintain. I'd say there's a range somewhere between $11 and 14 million AAV, and you can bet he's going to want to max out the AAV but still play meaningful hockey right away. But that's definitely an assumption
 
I would trade Dallas one of their first round picks and 3 of our Russian prospects for Jason Robertson. The Canes need to keep enough powder dry though to also get a top 6 center and possibly improve our D.

One concern with Jason Robertson, is that while he is big, he doesn't play that way. I don't know how determined the Canes are going to be to 'get bigger and tougher', but Robinson doesn't use his size to bang bodies around. Marner of course isn't big to start with and seems to get bullied around in the playoffs pretty easily.

I don't know what model the Canes are working off of in terms of their 'building a more effective playoff roster'. Do we feel we need to get 'tougher to play against?' Do we just need 'more skill, but preferably no additional 'smaller' skilled players? Both?

A trade for Jason Robertson is the type of move I think we should expect from the Canes. We of course don't know who is actually available out there, but the Canes will almost certainly be checking in on a whole lot of high end talent trying to find a big fish. My only ask of the Canes really is NOT to trade for Elias Pettersson. Don't do it!
 
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Yeah, what the Stars would be choosing is a long term financial commitment to a core of Rantanen, Johnston, Hintz, Heiskanen, Harley and Otter. All of those except Harley are already locked in for term, and the choice is really Harley or Robertson. Granlund is just the kind of shorter term guy you have to plug in to get quality filler around that core. I'm sometimes critical of Jim Nill, but that's a pretty good and pretty large group to have locked in until 2029 or further. Robertson is the bridge too far, financially.

From Carolina's perspective Robertson would be the second best winger in the market after Marner and you guys all seem to hate Marner, so ... yeah. More of a scorer/shooter than a playmaker and a bit more streaky. The size for me is irrelevant. Robertson is big enough to not get pushed around even if he's not exactly tough. Put it this way. In Florida terms, he'd fill the Reinhart role with slightly less willingness to can opener a guy. But he's a real scorer and a dangerous shooter from anywhere inside the top of the circles and would be an absolute boon to Carolina's power play setup. He's going to end up making just about as much as Marner and Rantanen eventually, but not until next summer when he's an arbitration eligible RFA. Is he worth returning Dallas' draft capital? Absolutely he is. Do you also throw in a prospect to make it happen? Yup. All day and twice on Sunday.

PS ... if Dallas asks the same question and it's Otter instead of Robertson, the answer is exactly the same. Name the prospect and here's your picks back.
 
cmaleski2 said:
I would trade Dallas one of their first round picks and 3 of our Russian prospects for Jason Robertson. The Canes need to keep enough powder dry though to also get a top 6 center and possibly improve our D.

One concern with Jason Robertson, is that while he is big, he doesn't play that way. I don't know how determined the Canes are going to be to 'get bigger and tougher', but Robinson doesn't use his size to bang bodies around. Marner of course isn't big to start with and seems to get bullied around in the playoffs pretty easily.

I don't know what model the Canes are working off of in terms of their 'building a more effective playoff roster'. Do we feel we need to get 'tougher to play against?' Do we just need 'more skill, but preferably no additional 'smaller' skilled players? Both?

A trade for Jason Robertson is the type of move I think we should expect from the Canes. We of course don't know who is actually available out there, but the Canes will almost certainly be checking in on a whole lot of high end talent trying to find a big fish. My only ask of the Canes really is NOT to trade for Elias Pettersson. Don't do it!
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I think that’s a great question to ponder and the answer is indeed both! I’d like to see a couple of “tougher to play against” additions along with some “more skill.” If a guy like Bennett was truly available you check both boxes right? If you add Marner you’re just checking the skills box. If Florida has taught the Canes one lesson it’s that you’re going to have to have enough tougher to play against types to match up with them because they are not changing anytime soon. I’d like to see the Canes keep enough draft pick powder in the gun for next March when you can add some grit and toughness, might be more prudent to add the high end skill now in July.
 
jeffbear said:
Yeah, what the Stars would be choosing is a long term financial commitment to a core of Rantanen, Johnston, Hintz, Heiskanen, Harley and Otter. All of those except Harley are already locked in for term, and the choice is really Harley or Robertson. Granlund is just the kind of shorter term guy you have to plug in to get quality filler around that core. I'm sometimes critical of Jim Nill, but that's a pretty good and pretty large group to have locked in until 2029 or further. Robertson is the bridge too far, financially.

From Carolina's perspective Robertson would be the second best winger in the market after Marner and you guys all seem to hate Marner, so ... yeah. More of a scorer/shooter than a playmaker and a bit more streaky. The size for me is irrelevant. Robertson is big enough to not get pushed around even if he's not exactly tough. Put it this way. In Florida terms, he'd fill the Reinhart role with slightly less willingness to can opener a guy. But he's a real scorer and a dangerous shooter from anywhere inside the top of the circles and would be an absolute boon to Carolina's power play setup. He's going to end up making just about as much as Marner and Rantanen eventually, but not until next summer when he's an arbitration eligible RFA. Is he worth returning Dallas' draft capital? Absolutely he is. Do you also throw in a prospect to make it happen? Yup. All day and twice on Sunday.

PS ... if Dallas asks the same question and it's Otter instead of Robertson, the answer is exactly the same. Name the prospect and here's your picks back.
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If you could land Jason Robertson here and still find a decent 2C and a right shot defender to play in the top pair with Slavin I’d call that a great summer.
 
Yeah, Bennett isn't going to make it to the open market. Basically every report I've seen on him fully anticipates that Florida will get him extended. He's just too integral to Florida's general vibe, especially in the post season, and it's not like they don't have any budget for one big-ish deal. It's far more likely that Ekblad gets all the way to the exit door than Bennett. That's a big reason they made the deal for Jones, which came with a contract commitment all the way through 2030. The general thinking was that Jones at $7 million AAV was going to be able to fill Ekblad's role going forward for a lot less than they would end up paying Ekblad on an extension. Whatever they got from having both of them this season was gravy, and it looks like the gravy might end up looking like a Cup. I've seen a few reports that Carolina is interested in Ekblad for the right price, FWIW. He's got some baggage and might not get tippy top dollar and will almost certainly be looking for a team that's ready to compete.
 
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