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2025 Canes Training Camp Thread

andyt said:
Yes. They can’t sign until October 15, can’t practice until November 15, can’t play until December 1.

But the question is why would the Canes want/need MacLeod? He’s a 4th line center, averaging 8 goals per 82 games over a 287 game NHL career.
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A bigger bodied (6'2"), right handed center that is good on faceoffs may be the intrigue for Rod and company is my only guess...certainly not for much additional offense.
 
andyt said:
Yes. They can’t sign until October 15, can’t practice until November 15, can’t play until December 1.

But the question is why would the Canes want/need MacLeod? He’s a 4th line center, averaging 8 goals per 82 games over a 287 game NHL career.
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RH C and fills long term probably better than Jankowski
 
CanadaCanes said:
A bigger bodied (6'2"), right handed center that no is good on faceoffs may be the intrigue for Rod and company is my only guess...certainly not for much additional offense.
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That would be the only reason. If Stanky does end up at center, he’d be the only righty. McLeod is 58.3% career faceoff wins, averages 12 faceoffs per game in his career.
 
I think everyone nailed this already. Jankowski is every bit as capable a 4th line center as Michael McCloud is. Jankowski is a + faceoff guy (usually right around or above 50%). But McCloud is a righty and +++++ on faceoffs. Not just +++ on faceoffs, I really mean +++++

McCloud's career NHL faceoff numbers

2018-19 21 Games 132 Faceoffs 53.0%
2019-20 12 Games 80 Faceoffs 50.0%
2020-21 52 Games 633 Faceoffs 51.5%
2021-22 77 Games 1055 Faceoffs 57.3%
2022-23 80 Games 968 Faceoffs 60.6%
2023-24 45 Games 652 Faceoffs 65.0%

That last season McCloud played, he led the entire NHL in faceoff% (players who took more than 500 faceoffs). Jamie Benn was 2nd at 61.2%

In 2022-23, McCloud was 3rd in the entire NHL in faceoff win%. He was behind Jonathan Toews (63.1%) and Patrice Bergeron (61.1%)

McCloud is not your normal 4th line center. He is a faceoff ace AND a righty. He would close a gigantic hole that the Canes have, especially on the penalty kill. He would take a lot of pressure/work off of Jordan Staal on Defensive draws. Considering how much Roddy's system stresses possessing the puck, Michael McCloud would be pretty valuable I suspect.

That is the hockey side of this of course. The baggage McCloud has is going to raise plenty of angst amongst some fans.
 
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cmaleski2 said:
I think everyone nailed this already. Jankowski is every bit as capable a 4th line center as Michael McCloud is. Jankowski is a + faceoff guy (usually right around or above 50%). But McCloud is a righty and +++++ on faceoffs. Not just +++ on faceoffs, I really mean +++++

McCloud's career NHL faceoff numbers

2018-19 21 Games 132 Faceoffs 53.0%
2019-20 12 Games 80 Faceoffs 50.0%
2020-21 52 Games 633 Faceoffs 51.5%
2021-22 77 Games 1055 Faceoffs 57.3%
2022-23 80 Games 968 Faceoffs 60.6%
2023-24 45 Games 652 Faceoffs 65.0%

That last season McCloud played, he led the entire NHL in faceoff% (players who took more than 500 faceoffs). Jamie Benn was 2nd at 61.2%

In 2022-23, McCloud was 3rd in the entire NHL in faceoff win%. He was behind Jonathan Toews (63.1%) and Patrice Bergeron (61.1%)

McCloud is not your normal 4th line center. He is a faceoff ace AND a righty. He would close a gigantic hole that the Canes have, especially on the penalty kill. He would take a lot of pressure/work off of Jordan Staal on Defensive draws. Considering how much Roddy's system stresses possessing the puck, Michael McCloud would be pretty valuable I suspect.

That is the hockey side of this of course. The baggage McCloud has is going to raise plenty of angst amongst some fans.
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Good stuff. Thanks!
 
cmaleski2 said:
I think everyone nailed this already. Jankowski is every bit as capable a 4th line center as Michael McCloud is. Jankowski is a + faceoff guy (usually right around or above 50%). But McCloud is a righty and +++++ on faceoffs. Not just +++ on faceoffs, I really mean +++++

McCloud's career NHL faceoff numbers

2018-19 21 Games 132 Faceoffs 53.0%
2019-20 12 Games 80 Faceoffs 50.0%
2020-21 52 Games 633 Faceoffs 51.5%
2021-22 77 Games 1055 Faceoffs 57.3%
2022-23 80 Games 968 Faceoffs 60.6%
2023-24 45 Games 652 Faceoffs 65.0%

That last season McCloud played, he led the entire NHL in faceoff% (players who took more than 500 faceoffs). Jamie Benn was 2nd at 61.2%

In 2022-23, McCloud was 3rd in the entire NHL in faceoff win%. He was behind Jonathan Toews (63.1%) and Patrice Bergeron (61.1%)

McCloud is not your normal 4th line center. He is a faceoff ace AND a righty. He would close a gigantic hole that the Canes have, especially on the penalty kill. He would take a lot of pressure/work off of Jordan Staal on Defensive draws. Considering how much Roddy's system stresses possessing the puck, Michael McCloud would be pretty valuable I suspect.

That is the hockey side of this of course. The baggage McCloud has is going to raise plenty of angst amongst some fans.
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Well, that was pretty persuasive! Thanks!
 
I had to go educated myself on the London 5 case. Beyond the title, I knew little of it. outside of Hart, I hadn't heard of any of the other players. Will the league let them back? Probably. Will people complain. Sure.
 
cmaleski2 said:
I think everyone nailed this already. Jankowski is every bit as capable a 4th line center as Michael McCloud is. Jankowski is a + faceoff guy (usually right around or above 50%). But McCloud is a righty and +++++ on faceoffs. Not just +++ on faceoffs, I really mean +++++

McCloud's career NHL faceoff numbers

2018-19 21 Games 132 Faceoffs 53.0%
2019-20 12 Games 80 Faceoffs 50.0%
2020-21 52 Games 633 Faceoffs 51.5%
2021-22 77 Games 1055 Faceoffs 57.3%
2022-23 80 Games 968 Faceoffs 60.6%
2023-24 45 Games 652 Faceoffs 65.0%

That last season McCloud played, he led the entire NHL in faceoff% (players who took more than 500 faceoffs). Jamie Benn was 2nd at 61.2%

In 2022-23, McCloud was 3rd in the entire NHL in faceoff win%. He was behind Jonathan Toews (63.1%) and Patrice Bergeron (61.1%)

McCloud is not your normal 4th line center. He is a faceoff ace AND a righty. He would close a gigantic hole that the Canes have, especially on the penalty kill. He would take a lot of pressure/work off of Jordan Staal on Defensive draws. Considering how much Roddy's system stresses possessing the puck, Michael McCloud would be pretty valuable I suspect.

That is the hockey side of this of course. The baggage McCloud has is going to raise plenty of angst amongst some fans.
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The hockey side isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be either. He took all those faceoffs, an average of 12 per game. If we average his last 2 seasons, he’d win an average of 7.5 per game. JankowskI averaged 50.5% with the Canes last year but was at 53% over his last 3 years in Nashville. So over those same 12 faceoffs as McLeod, he’d win 6.4 per game. Is it worth burning down your fan base for 1 extra faceoff win per game? No.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
I had to go educated myself on the London 5 case. Beyond the title, I knew little of it. outside of Hart, I hadn't heard of any of the other players. Will the league let them back? Probably. Will people complain. Sure.
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The media idiots on Instagram have us signing him and one even said he was already on a PTO (which makes no sense if they can't even be signed until Oct 15.) I do have mixed emotions as I keep thinking about the Duke Lacrosse case, but there the victim out and out lied, whereas with the London 5 there is pretty substantial evidence of some really bad behaviors.
 
ksbeecane said:
… whereas with the London 5 there is pretty substantial evidence of some really bad behaviors.
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I’m with you. I don’t think that not guilty absolves them of their not criminal but still morally corrupt actions…

Having said that I imagine this type of behavior isn’t limited to just these 5 guys. Mix celebrity status, sex, booze, travel, high income prospects, adolescence and limited supervision seems like a recipe for bad decisions.

Not sure what to think. I’m glad my character isn’t publicly set in stone based on some of my worst moments as a teenager. Is it fair to do that to them? Who are they now? Still in the same place?
 
The Hockey Canada upper management handling of this entire incident was butchered from the start, and then the deeper dig showed that Hockey Canada has had millions and millions of dollars set aside for years as a slush fund account to pay alleged victims off for this "expected bad behavior" by their members made it worse. The Canadian media was more interested in exposing the Hockey Canada management core then they were concerned for any victims in this case. Without pointing any fingers in this case on either side, you have to respect the legal system and the process that took place and this entire situation has now been almost two years and counting since this all started.
 
The AHL squad skated first today. Per Walt Ruff, this is how they lined up. Juha Jaaska was missing, no word on why. The 7 dmen all rotated.

Jost - Robidas - Unger Sorum
Smith - Suzuki - Labanc
Slavin - Brind'Amour - Nadeau
Trikozov - Ryabkin - Gunler

The NHL group is missing Slavin and Janky and Miller are still in yellow. Stanky remains at 2C. Ghost is playing his off side which I hope isn’t the long term solution.

Ehlers - Aho - Jarvis
Svechnikov - Stankoven - Blake
Martinook - Staal - Carrier
Robinson - Kotkaniemi - Hall (Jankowski)

Miller - Chatfield
Nikishin - Gostisbehere
Reilly - Walker
Bayreuther - Kylington
 
CanadaCanes said:
…Without pointing any fingers in this case on either side, you have to respect the legal system and the process that took place and this entire situation has now been almost two years and counting since this all started.
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I’m not clear what you mean by this part of your post.

I think there are activities you can engage in that are not criminal (so yes, not guilty) that might still be enough not to want to associate with a person, not want them in your league, on your team, in your company, etc.

The trial result didn’t say it didn’t happen, it said the woman was ok with it. Or more correctly that she did not prove that she wasn’t ok with it. So what happened was not a crime.

I’d think some of those boys have grown up and that’s not who they are and they regret it beyond being sorry it became known. I guess some of them could still think it was all perfectly fine.
 
cmon3 said:
I’m not clear what you mean by this part of your post.

I think there are activities you can engage in that are not criminal (so yes, not guilty) that might still be enough not to want to associate with a person, not want them in your league, on your team, in your company, etc.

The trial result didn’t say it didn’t happen, it said the woman was ok with it. Or more correctly that she did not prove that she wasn’t ok with it. So what happened was not a crime.

I’d think some of those boys have grown up and that’s not who they are and they regret it beyond being sorry it became known. I guess some of them could still think it was all perfectly fine.
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What I mean is someone has to decide are they allowed to play again in the league or not. It's a yes or no answer. Some teams can simply say no way no how and that's fine, but if this league decides that they are allowed to play again, it's on each franchise to decide if that is something they want to do. Who said it did not happen? It's not up to you or me to to be judge or jury...but it is up to the league to at the very least decide if they can play again or not in the NHL, and if the answer is apparently yes, then they have to be allowed to have the ability to seek employment again, which it sounds like some of them are trying to do now. The residual damage or effects of what took place in the past is on the players at this point, and I guess the teams that sign them moving forward have to decide if it's more risk or reward.
 
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So back to training camp. Chatfield joined Slavin on the sidelines today. Miller and Janky are still in yellow jerseys.

Ehlers - Aho - Jarvis
Svechnikov - Stankoven - Blake
Martinook - Staal - Carrier
Robinson - Kotkaniemi - Hall (Jankowski)

Nikishin - Gostisbehere
Reilly - Walker
Bayreuther - Kylington
Miller

In the AHL group, Jasska hasn’t skated yet either. And Walt Ruff said that the 7 dmen are rotating and on consistently paired. I’m not sure Nadeau is properly deployed on Brind’Amour’s line either.

Jost - Robidas - Unger Sorum
Smith - Suzuki - Labanc
Slavin - Brind'Amour - Nadeau
Trikozov - Ryabkin - Gunler
 
RBA said that tomorrow’s preseason game will feature mostly younger guys. He still has to dress 8 vets though so we’ll see. He also said Slavin and Chatfield may not play at all in the preseason. With Miller still in yellow, having half your defense out is less than ideal. It’s going to be hard to pair them without time, especially if Slavin is moving to his off side.

Edit: Millier isn’t skating today. Jankowski is still in yellow.

Ehlers - Aho - Jarvis
Svechnikov - Stankoven - Blake
Martinook - Staal - Carrier
Robinson - Kotkaniemi - Hall (Jankowski)

Nikishin - Gostisbehere
Reilly - Walker
Bayreuther - Kylington
 
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SlapShots said:
I feel like I should know this, but what constitutes a “vet”?
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15.4 Exhibition Games.

(c) A Club shall be permitted to dress a minimum of eight (8) veterans for any Exhibition Game. For purposes of this Section 15.4(c), a veteran shall constitute either:

(1) a forward or defenseman who played in thirty (30) NHL Games during the previous season,

(2) a goaltender who either dressed in fifty (50) or more NHL Games or played in thirty (30) or more NHL Games in the previous season,

(3) a first round draft choice from the most recent year's Entry Draft, or

(4) any Player who has played one-hundred (100) or more career NHL Games.

For tomorrow’s roster, Stanky, Blake, Jost, Labanc and Hall qualify because they played more than 30 games last year. Bayreuther, Smith and Kylington have all played more than 100 NHL games.
 
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