LeafOfFaith
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Kampf is still invisible to me. Bunting is my favorite add.
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MindzEye
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Bunting looks a brilliant move. Kampf as 3C hardly looks brilliant, it's treading water. Kase was a nice low risk, high reward play and he's currently hurt and might have been conkied again, who knows. Counting your Mrazek's before they've hatched is the most Zeke shit ever, never change. Mimsy for 2 years is painful.
MindzEye
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I dig Kampf as an addition, I dig him less as the #3C on a team that has struggled with offensive production from depth players in the past.
Wayward DP
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LeafGm
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I hated the Kampf addition for pretty much the same reasons.
Though I’ll admit to softening a bit on the Kampf signing. Part of that is Kampf being better than I thought, and the other was Kase’s revelation that the two of them are close childhood friends, and Kampf is the main reason he came to Toronto.
If Kampf/Kase are viewed as a package deal for $2.75M, Kampf’s salary bothers me far less. Though the added offensive pressure on the top-6 if he’s slotted in as 3C come playoff time still concerns me.
MindzEye
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I'd be incomplete/tbd on Kase (though most of us would have taken the under on 20 games before his first injury...so that's positive) and to a lesser degree Kampf. Kampf is fine as a signing. Still way up in the air if signing him as our 3C turns out to be the right move.
MyNameIsJonas
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MindzEye
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Sorta maybe.
We went into the off season basically needing a handful of top 9 wingers, as well as a 3C. We were never going to be anything but a good hockey team and probably a top 5 team in the league. But if I had said "by December our 3rd line is going to be Engvall-Kampf-Anderson/Simmonds and Spezza is going to be playing 4C, there would have been some legitimate concerns.
The thing with legitimate concerns is that it's easy for cheerleaders to shout them down when the team is streaking...and we're 100% good enough to streak, even with wonky contributions from our depth players esecially when Bunting & Kerfoot have done such solid work in the top 6. The core players + blueline + Jack are legitimate top of the league calibre.
But if that bottom 6 doesn't concern you, you're not paying attention imo.
MyNameIsJonas
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I think Kase and Bunting have been wins, Kampf as good as you can ask for ( anyone expecting him to be a 3LC is batty) and Ritchie has been a bust.
They still need a W in the top 6 at the deadline, probably wasn't available on a 1 year deal in the summer.
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You are still being a Chinese parent on this
leafman101
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Kampf has been a good 3C though.
MyNameIsJonas
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No according to Gangly McGrouch
MindzEye
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25 point pace and below water in any of the advanced metrics I'm able to find is good?
Now, I accept that he's getting extreme defensive zone usage...but that's partially because we expect him to be junk offensively, so use his existence to free Auston & JT to get all the offensive zone starts. I get it. But we're not playing him like that because he's a good 3C. We're playing him like that because it's the only way to take his skill set and make it work as a 3C for us. A 3C is generally someone who you can slot in as 2C if needed due to injury. When you can't move your 3C up the lineup, and would instead move full time wingers into the 2C role...is he really a good 3C?
and I'm not saying that he's not doing okay at what we're asking him to do. Shut up, take defensive zone faceoffs, don't get scored on. But it's a pretty limited role that we're asking of him, not your usual 3C or even 3C/match up type role. We're using Auston and JT to play against top competition, Kampf is basically the designated defensive zone faceoff taking centre more than a shutdown/matchup 3C
MyNameIsJonas
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Being invisible is his job.
LeafOfFaith
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I've said before, I don't really see what Danault does on the ice either. Apparently he's defensive dynamo guy, but I don't actually see him do anything. I don't know if Kampf is the same or what. I just can't evaluate a guy I can't see. These guys fall through the slim cracks of the eye test.
Preston
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Most of us including me wanted Bonino over Kampf. Based on how these fellas have played we were wrong. Of the options available at 3c Kampf probably tops my list.
Mimsy was the only dud this offseason for me and I said so at the time. And I fully recognize that he has suffered from hilariously bad luck. But regardless he wasn't necessary.
Mimsy was the only dud this offseason for me and I said so at the time. And I fully recognize that he has suffered from hilariously bad luck. But regardless he wasn't necessary.
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MyNameIsJonas
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Maybe you are just incapable of identifying good defensive play
I dont even mean this as a dig, but like the backchecking of a C isnt exactly something one looks out for on the regular, let alone knows how to identify.
If you dont notice your checking C chances are nothing exciting is happening on his shifts and he's doing his job.
zeke
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GAR/60
1. Kerfoot 1.134
2. Matthews 1.066
3. Bunting 0.799
4. Tavares 0.456
5. Marner 0.442
6. Kampf 0.396
7. Nylander 0.367
8. Simmonds 0.286
9. Kase 0.142
10. Engvall -0.020
11. Spezza -0.106
12. Ritchie -1.900
xGAR/60
1. Matthews 1.151
2. Kerfoot 0.632
3. Bunting 0.610
4. Kampf 0.607
5. Nylander 0.585
6. Spezza 0.284
7. Tavares 0.273
8. Engvall 0.210
9. Simmonds 0.197
10. Marner 0.183
11. Kase 0.045
12. Ritchie -0.889
Oh and add NOT LOSING KERFOOT to Dubas' epic offseason.
1. Kerfoot 1.134
2. Matthews 1.066
3. Bunting 0.799
4. Tavares 0.456
5. Marner 0.442
6. Kampf 0.396
7. Nylander 0.367
8. Simmonds 0.286
9. Kase 0.142
10. Engvall -0.020
11. Spezza -0.106
12. Ritchie -1.900
xGAR/60
1. Matthews 1.151
2. Kerfoot 0.632
3. Bunting 0.610
4. Kampf 0.607
5. Nylander 0.585
6. Spezza 0.284
7. Tavares 0.273
8. Engvall 0.210
9. Simmonds 0.197
10. Marner 0.183
11. Kase 0.045
12. Ritchie -0.889
Oh and add NOT LOSING KERFOOT to Dubas' epic offseason.
MyNameIsJonas
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I love that you have taken to Ritchie.
MyNameIsJonas
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Yes but Holl over McCann is the dumb part.