I dont think he was getting anymore money once Detroit was his preferred destination of choice
Most teams are capped out or he wasnt a fit
Yzerman is making a playoff push , and his assets are easy to trade
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Most teams are capped out or he wasnt a fit
Yzerman is making a playoff push , and his assets are easy to trade
LeafGm
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Timo Meier is another good comparable.
Unfortunately though, he’s likely not looking around the league—he’s looking at his teammates that bent Dubas over a barrel.
When Mitch got $11M on his last deal and will likely be asking them for $13-14M on his next deal, that would be Willy’s argument for why it doesn’t make sense for him to settle for something around $8M.
thehabhater
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Even though Willy comes through in the playoffs more than the other two, he isn't anywhere near the complete player that Marner is or anywhere the scoring force that Mathews is.
Also, he is a terrible actor in his commercial.
Habsy
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Internal economics are a thing sure but market rate is a bigger thing.
Habsy
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He's very comparable to Debrincat over the past 3 years.
LeafGm
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I totally agree that market rate should be a bigger thing.
But when Dubas negotiated Marner’s extension, internal economics sure as fuck ended up being a bigger thing than market rate.
Whether that’s changed under the pizza nepo baby remains to be seen.
Habsy
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Well Hughes did the same with Suzuki. Nobody is getting more than his $7.87m moving forward until a player proves he's worth more than Suzuki. Sad to say nobody has yet. Caufield should but not if his frame only allows him playing 50 games a year.
In other words, they're a guideline until they're not, plus that was the a Dubas regime. Treliving doesn't have to stand by it and has shown he'll play hardball, sometimes to the detriment of the club line Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
I just don't see how an agent can push for substantially more than his other clients got.
Detroit situation wasn't normal, that was internal economics as well and it was pretty much the only club Debrincat wanted.
Nylander at $9m should be the absolute cap logically. It's higher enough than his comparables to stroke the ego. I think they settle around $8.75m.
In other words, they're a guideline until they're not, plus that was the a Dubas regime. Treliving doesn't have to stand by it and has shown he'll play hardball, sometimes to the detriment of the club line Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
I just don't see how an agent can push for substantially more than his other clients got.
Detroit situation wasn't normal, that was internal economics as well and it was pretty much the only club Debrincat wanted.
Nylander at $9m should be the absolute cap logically. It's higher enough than his comparables to stroke the ego. I think they settle around $8.75m.
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zeke
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well ok but 3yr splits aren't the only split.
This year:
Nylander: 82gms, 40gl/87pt pace
Buchnevich: 63gms, 34gl/87pt pace
Fiala: 69gms, 27gl/86pt pace
Connor: 82gms, 31gl/80pt pace
Guentzel: 78gms, 38gl/77pt pace
Meier: 78gms, 42gl/69pt pace
Reinhart: 82gms, 31gl/67pt pace
Debrincat: 82gms, 27gl/66pt pace
2 years
Connor: 161gms, 40gl/88pt pace
Buchnevich: 136gms, 34gl/86pt pace
Fiala: 151gms, 30gl/85pt pace
Nylander: 163gms, 37gl/84pt pace
Guentzel: 154gms, 31gl/84pt pace
Reinhart: 160gms, 33gl/76pt pace
Meier: 155gms, 40gl/75pt pace
Debrincat: 164gms, 34gl/72pt pace
3 years
Connor: 217gms, 39gl/84pt pace
Guentzel: 210gms, 39gl/84pt pace
Buchnevich: 190gms, 33gl/82pt pace
Nylander: 214gms, 35gl/80pt pace
Fiala: 201gms, 31gl/80pt pace
Debrincat: 216gms, 38gl/76pt pace
Reinhart: 214gms, 34gl/72pt pace
Meier: 209gms, 34gl/68pt pace
4 years
Guentzel: 249gms, 39gl/85pt pace
Connor: 288gms, 40gl/84pt pace
Nylander: 282gms, 36gl/78pt pace
Fiala: 265gms, 31gl/78pt pace
Buchnevich: 258gms, 29gl/75pt pace
Debrincat: 286gms, 34gl/70pt pace
Reinhart: 283gms, 32gl/60pt pace
Meier: 279gms, 32gl/65pt pace
purely offensively, i'd say the Debrincat/Reinhart/Meier group is a cut below the other guys.
and I would have to add that Willy has been able to do this while playing in a secondary offensive role on a top defensive team, while almost all of those other guys are racking up that offense in primary offensive roles on terrible defensive teams.
zeke
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Habsy
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The salient question though is this, does any minor difference in Willy's favor warrant substantially more money, say over a half million aav? That's where the argument will be and there's no justification for over $9m. It becomes nitpicking after that and then the press will run with bullshit that he doesn't want to stay.
His agent knows he can squeeze a few bucks more but nothing crazy.
Kinda like the $8.88 x 8 number in honor of Eric Lindros. Classy.
hockeylover
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if you have 20 more points in a contract year on a great team vs a non-playoff team, I think you should probably be able to ask for more money, 3 year splits be damned. at least that's what I'd be arguing if I'm the agent vs debrincat.
honestly seems like a fairly easy contract though and the numbers we're hearing from both sides aren't really outrageous - should be able to meet in the middle.
honestly seems like a fairly easy contract though and the numbers we're hearing from both sides aren't really outrageous - should be able to meet in the middle.
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trujaysfan
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The argument against debrincat is he has declined and needs his older seasons to make the comparison look better.
Habsy
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Yes but why are they shit?
Narrator: The fend for yourself with minimum assistance or education causes people to turn to baser instincts.
As mentioned, most people that become billionaires from nothing can't turn off the voracious appetite and yes Buffet is an anomaly.
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