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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

MindzEye said:
Teams can only protect 1 goalie...it's how Vegas landed Fleury in the first place, Pittsburgh was going to lose him regardless. Who are these other options? Their pick of half the goalies in the league, on top of their pick from a crowded veteran free agent class. Rinne, Rask, Andersen, Binnington, Dubnyk, Raanta, Grubauer

Why handcuff themselves with an albatross, when it might be the easiest position for them to fill that off season? Snag a good 1B in the expansion draft (hard to tell who is going to be available 18 months out, but at least a handful of decent 1B/Backups will be available) and then sign one.
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I don’t expect the top free agents would entertain it. And several of those names would be unknown to the casual fan. There’s no handcuff. The money means nothing in the near term and no one is expecting them to win anything any time soon. But anyway, this is all academic. Price likely won’t waive, and Bergy definitely wouldn’t trade him.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I don’t expect the top free agents would entertain it.
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Most of those names will be in their mid 30's, offer the most money and they'll show up. It will definitely be cheaper than taking on Price.

And several of those names would be unknown to the casual fan.
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You guys are making way too much of the casual American fan being able to maybe pick Carey Price out of a 2 man lineup. The guy has been playing for a French Canadian team on the other side of the continent his entire career, they don't know who he is. Price isn't a local to Seattle, he grew up 10 hrs north of Vancouver. He didn't play his junior hockey in Seattle, he played it 4 hrs away.

Seattle doesn't need a bad goalie that the Canadian media tells them used to be good to sell tickets. The first few seasons will sell out regardless. It's big city that has had one real sports team for a decade now. It's starving for pro sports.

If there was something to learn from Vegas it wasn't that you need a big name to sell tickets, it's that the sooner you put a winner on the ice, the better. Vegas isn't selling out because of Fleury, it's selling out because they did a great job marketing the team before anyone knew who was going to be on it. Vegas had received deposits for 16,000 seasons tickets in the April before the expansion draft. Seattle will be very similar. They don't need a shitty ex Vezina goalie to market with.
 
Habsy said:
parents can also be the biggest asset. I’m sorry for those that fucked up theirs kids and it is rampant but there are also solid parents out there that prepare their children properly.
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No question, there are ..... and I was a good sporting parent.
I never got caught up in the emotion and always let the coach .....coach.
But unfortunately there are a many parents (mostly dads) who live through their children's sporting/competitive moments like it was their own.
 
Well here goes a full confessional (sorry zeke lol).

I was against dubas since the beginning because I was a lou fan and I like TRUCULENT hockey lol.

BUT ...... I have changed my opinion on this guy.

Yes he has made mistakes, but he is still young and every single GM in history has made mistakes (except pollock).

I am really liking this guy and his vision.

Dubas is going to take us all into a new hockey experience that will/is successful.

I was reading how dubas vetted the marlies new coach ..... I like this guy.

Shanny deserves credit for taking a chance and allowing this man to get his experience and change the hockey culture in this sport.

So, to those who have been on board and showed relentlessly that dubas is the right man for this job, I salute you. (Everyone but Preston lol).

Anyways, you guys were right and I am now a dubas fan.

I still wish we had a wilson on forward and a nasty ass dman but what these two (shanny and dubas) have built here is amazing.

I think zeke mentioned that this is the first time the leafs have had their full team together this season.

Have a great day all.
 
Willy is talented without a doubt ....

But I still think I could score 20 with Matthew's.

That is why hyman does so well in the stats .... go to the front of the net and good things happen.

It will be interesting to see how hymans stats drown on a line other than Matthew's or tavares.

Maybe hyman becomes our shut down forward... put him on a kane or a Crosby and let him devour their creativity.
Hyman did it with JT and other skilled forwards lol.
 
MindzEye said:
Teams can only protect 1 goalie...it's how Vegas landed Fleury in the first place, Pittsburgh was going to lose him regardless. Who are these other options? Their pick of half the goalies in the league, on top of their pick from a crowded veteran free agent class. Rinne, Rask, Andersen, Binnington, Dubnyk, Raanta, Grubauer

Why handcuff themselves with an albatross, when it might be the easiest position for them to fill that off season? Snag a good 1B in the expansion draft (hard to tell who is going to be available 18 months out, but at least a handful of decent 1B/Backups will be available) and then sign one.
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Didn't the Pens pay extra to ensure that Vegas took MAF? Which only goes to show how much less likely it is that you can get something for Price.
 
Yeah, the Pens gave up a 2nd. Which in retrospect was misguided as that was arguably Vegas' best pick int he expansion draft.

Don't think Seattle will be as lucky getting extra players and picks to take specific players. Probably a couple picks to take some bad contracts, but not "we'll give you a 2nd to take on of the best goalies in the league" or "we'll give you a good player like Smith/Tuch to take another good player like Marchessault/Haula".
 
"we'll give you a high end young defenseman like Shea Thedore, so you won't take an ok vet dman like Vatanen, or Manson."

Maybe not, GMs are just dumb.
 
leafman101 said:
Yeah, the Pens gave up a 2nd. Which in retrospect was misguided as that was arguably Vegas' best pick int he expansion draft.
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Yeah I couldn't remember if it was a 2nd or 3rd.... but I knew they gave something up.

I think the Pens needed cap relief and thought that Vegas might pick another goalie so they made sure they took MAF.
 
Habspatrol said:
Yeah I couldn't remember if it was a 2nd or 3rd.... but I knew they gave something up.

I think the Pens needed cap relief and thought that Vegas might pick another goalie so they made sure they took MAF.
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MAF had a no-trade (or no-move) clause, so technically in the rules, they had to protect him and leave Murray unprotected. So they gave up the pick and convinced MAF to waive so that they could protect Murray.

I mean, I don't think people predicted that MAF would post a .927 and Murray would be a .907 that first year. Last year was a lot closer to what people expected, Murray .919 and MAF .913. I still think this is the sort of deal that teams will still want to make with an expansion team - clearing out a player with a worse contract, even if it slightly backfires.

It's the other deals, where teams were giving up 2nd or 3rd round picks or useful players to take players who were marginally overpriced, those are the deals that GMs shouldn't be making this time around. At some point, you just gotta be willing to lose a half-decent player and not worry too much about it. Not worth going overboard to protect marginal talent.
 
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