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Around the League 2019-2025 Edition

MindzEye said:
Why do you hate math and common sense?
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Everybody knows the challenges if your not the few tax saving teams or the Habs with weather , taxes , language , media , etc

This is not MLB where a handful of teams spend like fucken drunks and the rest barely spend enough and are out of it by mid May

Yes it’s an advantage but others need to work harder and smarter cause it’s not the difference or hinderance to building a winner

Maybe it’s 6-8% of your cap for your top few players but that’s not the make or break issue to building a team

Leafs spend like drunks on upfront signing bonuses due every July and invented Robidas Island

The rest of the teams have fewer mulligans on mistakes or a buffer

WTF does a no state tax team have to do when you make blunder after fucken blunder in asset management

Dumping first rounders for Laughton ,Carlo, Foligno , etc…

Bad drafting , bad trades like Kadri , and overpaying JT causing your yutes to take you behind the barn in contract negotiations.

If you had a smarter regime Leafs could compete with anyone
 
GEEMAN said:
Yes it’s an advantage but others need to work harder and smarter cause it’s not the difference or hinderance to building a winner
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Except this isn't what we're seeing in the results with 6 zero tax teams being a SC finalist more than half of the time over the last bunch of years, and the cup winner in 4 of the last 5.

If you don't think there's a correlation between getting to sign players at a 7-8% discount and being considered a super smart front office, I don't know what to tell you man. Yeah, it took a fucking genius to sign Kucherov at 9.5 million when the market rate was 11, or Tkachuk for 9.75 when all of his comparables were signed for a million or more over that.

It's an obvious example that has started to show up in the competitive balance of the league and isn't going away.
 
MindzEye said:
Except this isn't what we're seeing in the results with 6 zero tax teams being a SC finalist more than half of the time over the last bunch of years, and the cup winner in 4 of the last 5.

If you don't think there's a correlation between getting to sign players at a 7-8% discount and being considered a super smart front office, I don't know what to tell you man. Yeah, it took a fucking genius to sign Kucherov at 9.5 million when the market rate was 11, or Tkachuk for 9.75 when all of his comparables were signed for a million or more over that.

It's an obvious example that has started to show up in the competitive balance of the league and isn't going away.
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It's an excuse , make smarter decisions

Half of Florida's roster is rejects and reclamation projects

Like I said it's not MLB when half the league has absolutely zero chance to compete
 
GEEMAN said:
It's an excuse , make smarter decisions
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The entire system of the league is predicated on parity. A financial advantage is a financial advantage. No different than this goofy playoff LTIR bullshit. My 10 million should be worth your 10 million, and it's not. My 10 million is worth 9.3 million.

GEEMAN said:
Half of Florida's roster is rejects and reclamation projects
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Once upon a time, sure. But since being reclaimed, most of these guys have signed lower than market rate contracts.

Is Reinhart a reclamation? Kinda maybe, but he scored 57 goals in 23-24 and then signed an extension for 8.6 million. We're about to sign Knies for maybe a million less than that after flirting with 30. At least partially because 8.625 in Florida is worth ~9.3 almost anywhere else.

Forsling is definitely a reclaimation....but signed his 5.75 extension after Florida won a cup with him as their #1. His market value was well, well repaired before it was contract time.

Like Tampa, they're very good at getting their best players to stay for "less"....with a lot of that being the tax advantage. They almost never have to make any of the difficult cap decisions other teams have to make when it comes to keeping their best players. Are they more adept at finding undervalued players to add to that group? Absolutely. But that advantage alone typically only lasts for a year or two until it's time to pay the guy his new market value.

GEEMAN said:
Like I said it's not MLB when half the league has absolutely zero chance to compete
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The fuck does that have to do with anything? Just because another system is worse, doesn't mean that this one (which we've lost a signficant amount of hockey in work stoppages for over the years) is working properly. Parity is parity. We're not allowed to outspend our competition despite being the wealthiest team in the league that drives a well outsized portion of league revenues, then why is anyone else allowed to have a systemic financial advantage?
 
MindzEye said:
The entire system of the league is predicated on parity. A financial advantage is a financial advantage. No different than this goofy playoff LTIR bullshit. My 10 million should be worth your 10 million, and it's not. My 10 million is worth 9.3 million.



Once upon a time, sure. But since being reclaimed, most of these guys have signed lower than market rate contracts.

Is Reinhart a reclamation? Kinda maybe, but he scored 57 goals in 23-24 and then signed an extension for 8.6 million. We're about to sign Knies for maybe a million less than that after flirting with 30. At least partially because 8.625 in Florida is worth ~9.3 almost anywhere else.

Forsling is definitely a reclaimation....but signed his 5.75 extension after Florida won a cup with him as their #1. His market value was well, well repaired before it was contract time.

Like Tampa, they're very good at getting their best players to stay for "less"....with a lot of that being the tax advantage. They almost never have to make any of the difficult cap decisions other teams have to make when it comes to keeping their best players. Are they more adept at finding undervalued players to add to that group? Absolutely. But that advantage alone typically only lasts for a year or two until it's time to pay the guy his new market value.



The fuck does that have to do with anything? Just because another system is worse, doesn't mean that this one (which we've lost a signficant amount of hockey in work stoppages for over the years) is working properly. Parity is parity. We're not allowed to outspend our competition despite being the wealthiest team in the league that drives a well outsized portion of league revenues, then why is anyone else allowed to have a systemic financial advantage?
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Meh no other team in a big market has overpaid everybody like the leafs have.

Kyle poobas was a lightweight here.
 
mbow30 said:
Meh no other team in a big market has overpaid everybody like the leafs have.

Kyle poobas was a lightweight here.
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I'm not comparing their contracts to ours, I've talked about our fuck ups quite a bit over the years.

There's a bag of comparables on other teams who have signed in the last few years

Meier for 8.8
Barzal for 9.15
Laine for 8.7
Zibanejad for 8.5

None of those guys were coming off of anything remotely like 57 goals and a cup (with the game 7 winning goal) and even over his entire time in Florida to that point, he had scored 120 goals in 3 years and he's also excellent defensively unlike every name on that list above.
 
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