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When we discussed the bet on Dec 23rd, you made no mention of adding in shoot out goals, but now that it is tied you want to change the bet...transparent indeed.

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Goal Differential
Leafs 101 for 109 against -8
Sens 110 for 121 against -11

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So...you're still losing your bet?

You just wanted to remind us of that, right?
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And when I posted it on Dec 11, no mention of adding in shootout goals...until now.

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Goal differential update

Sens goals for 91 goals against 100 Differential -9

Leafs goals for 83 goals against 88 Differential -5

Leafs record just starting to come back to reality, as are many of their fans.

You'd think this board would be used to the Leafs fast start routine by now, but you never seem to learn.

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used to the Leafs fast start routine by now
Well, because it's a myth.
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SENSible said:
When we discussed the bet on Dec 23rd, you made no mention of adding in shoot out goals, but now that it is tied you want to change the bet...transparent indeed.
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"adding shoot out goals"

Hilarious. Listen...the statistic is an officially tracked statistic. The only person attempting to alter anything is you. You're trying to change the definition of the statistic to suit your current purpose. Find the original language of the bet and see what we agreed to, this quote doesn't prove anything.

To answer what you're inferring here, I obviously didn't look up the official statistic at the time that I responded to your post. I only needed basic math skills to know that -8 is better than -11.
 
Why shouldn't teams get credited with shootout goals? They're part of the game and the league considers the event good enough to credit teams with a win or a loss for playing in them.

Or is it suddenly only an issue because this year the Leafs have been respectable in the shootout, whereas last year they couldn't win one to save their lives?
 
I'd take mindz 10 times out of 10 over Sensible, but using shootout "goals" while comparing goal differential is a crock of shite.

You can hang on to the technical aspect of what NHL.com says but deep down you know what the true nature of the bet was supposed to capture.
 
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Why shouldn't teams get credited with shootout goals? They're part of the game and the league considers the event good enough to credit teams with a win or a loss for playing in them.

Or is it suddenly only an issue because this year the Leafs have been respectable in the shootout, whereas last year they couldn't win one to save their lives?
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Hey, I sympathise to a degree with Sensible, but if you make a bet concerning goal differential, you live with the official definition of the statistic unless otherwise agreed to prior to the bet being placed.
 
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Why shouldn't teams get credited with shootout goals? They're part of the game and the league considers the event good enough to credit teams with a win or a loss for playing in them.

Or is it suddenly only an issue because this year the Leafs have been respectable in the shootout, whereas last year they couldn't win one to save their lives?
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Dont play this card. You've hated shootouts since they we're implemented...now you are singing their praises cause the Leafs are good at them.

The flip flop is on you here, not sensible.
 
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I'd take mindz 10 times out of 10 over Sensible, but using shootout "goals" while comparing goal differential is a crock of shite.

You can hang on to the technical aspect of what NHL.com says but deep down you know what the true nature of the bet was supposed to capture.
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and the original language of the bet should have captured that true nature. But when you throw around terms with official definitions, you live with those official definitions.

Like the example I used, if we had bet on who would score more goals between Ryan & Kessel this season and one player was leading the other because of EN goals. Winning the bet because of EN goals would be kind of gay, but you would still win the bet because they count as much as any other goal officially.
 
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I'd take mindz 10 times out of 10 over Sensible, but using shootout "goals" while comparing goal differential is a crock of shite.

You can hang on to the technical aspect of what NHL.com says but deep down you know what the true nature of the bet was supposed to capture.
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Don't make a bet and then change it mid-way through then.

And I eagerly look forward to you no longer counting PP points in Erik Karlsson's totals, because deep down you know what the true nature of points is supposed to capture, right?
 
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Hey, I sympathise to a degree with Sensible, but if you make a bet concerning goal differential, you live with the official definition of the statistic unless otherwise agreed to prior to the bet being placed.
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Weak. I would say the bet is void at the very least.
 
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Dont play this card. You've hated shootouts since they we're implemented...now you are singing their praises cause the Leafs are good at them.

The flip flop is on you here, not sensible.
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You're mistaken.

I still hate shootouts. I also think it's a crock of shit that the Red Wings are listed ahead of the Leafs in the standings and could very well make the playoffs over a team with more wins, because they have lost in OT a ton of times.
 
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and the original language of the bet should have captured that true nature. But when you throw around terms with official definitions, you live with those official definitions.

Like the example I used, if we had bet on who would score more goals between Ryan & Kessel this season and one player was leading the other because of EN goals. Winning the bet because of EN goals would be kind of gay, but you would still win the bet because they count as much as any other goal officially.
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But at leader that is still in game.

Let me ask you this. If we had a bet that one team would score more goals than another, would you include shootout win/goals?

Not a chance.
 
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But at leader that is still in game.

Let me ask you this. If we had a bet that one team would score more goals than another, would you include shootout win/goals?

Not a chance.
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I can only speak for myself, but since the league implemented them after the previous lock-out, I've always felt that the player who scores the winning SO goal should be given credit for the winner in his official goal totals.
 
and yet another exchange re the bet with you not saying anything about shootout goals until today, when it is tied.

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Goal Differential

Leafs 82 for 85 against -3

Sens 86 for 95 against -9

The Sens poor record is supported by their poor goal differential.

The Leafs record is inflated relative to their poor goal differential.

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Toronto is -1, Ottawa -13. Don't know where you got your numbers from.

Leafs 86 for - 87 against = -1

Sens 86 for - 99 against = -13

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Oh and not to be left out...

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85 for - 65 against = +20

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Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
Toronto is -1, Ottawa -13. Don't know where you got your numbers from.

Leafs 86 for - 87 against = -1

Sens 86 for - 99 against = -13
You are wrong.

The totals you listed include shootout goals.

The Leafs have scored 82 goals.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...wName=goalsFor

Montreal is 83 for 62 against for +21
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Why in the holy **** would he say anything about shootout goals? That's like you making a board bet about a player's point total and then saying Mindz didn't say anything about including power play points.

It's obvious that it's inherently included in your agreement given that it's an officially-tracked statistic. This is such a bitch argument to be having. Sack up and accept the parameters of your agreement.

Christ, what a colossal vagina.
 
There is zero chance I'd pay up using shootout goals on a bet comparing two teams goal differential.

Not a chance in hell.
 
Wondering what the ruling would be if the bet was kessel vs ryan in goals - would shootout goals count?
 
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