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ME given that I did use that definition in my post it is fair for you to assume we were calculating it that way. I'll honour the bet on those terms. We'll go by the standings.
 
Montana said:
Sensible,




bullshit.
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If you've been paying attention I thought the bet was goals for when it was brought up as such by Jays. We made the bet in the middle of the summer and I didn't even remember the terms. None of us did so we had to make up a thread called "board bets" to keep track.

No big evil master plan at work, but continue to think the worst.
 
Sensible's quote just shows how subjective the bet is from the start. Goal differential can mean a two different things, obviously.

I have no doubt that when Mindz was making the bet he wasn't looking at a single column, but was using the fact that he thought the leafs would allow fewer in game goals and score more in game goals.
 
corksens said:
Sensible's quote just shows how subjective the bet is from the start. Goal differential can mean a two different things, obviously.
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What? Sensible very clearly used the official goal differential definition in his argument leading up to the bet, as it was the one that made the Sens look the best last season. Goal differential officially means one thing.

I have no doubt that when Mindz was making the bet he wasn't looking at a single column, but was using the fact that he thought the leafs would allow fewer in game goals and score more in game goals.
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Yet I still took a bet that I knew (or assumed, anyway) at the time that the Leafs would be giving Sensible a small handicap.
 
It's pretty simple. Sure, shootouts are lame, and the official goal differential statistic that includes shootout "goals" is wildly inaccurrate - but that's the bet that was presented to ME at the time.

Allowing the bet to be changed now just because the "official" total now favours the Leafs when it didn't last year would amount to charity.
 
This is pretty gay. Sensible (and I believe player and zeke) have all been using actual goal differential (i.e. excluding shootouts) all season throughout this thread, with nary a peep from anyone. Now all of a sudden when the Leafs are good at shootouts it's an issue?
 
Wayward DP said:
This is pretty gay. Sensible (and I believe player and zeke) have all been using actual goal differential (i.e. excluding shootouts) all season throughout this thread, with nary a peep from anyone. Now all of a sudden when the Leafs are good at shootouts it's an issue?
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Precisely - I like to think this board runs with a higher standard.

We all know that the shootouts are dumb and more-or-less meaningless. Few, if any of us, have agreed that a team should be awarded a "goal" for winning a shootout.

The true meaning of the bet is clear - which team scores more and is scored on less in a game.
 
Wayward DP said:
This is pretty gay. Sensible (and I believe player and zeke) have all been using actual goal differential (i.e. excluding shootouts) all season throughout this thread, with nary a peep from anyone. Now all of a sudden when the Leafs are good at shootouts it's an issue?
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I'm willing to give ME the benefit of the doubt and take the bet on the standings goal differential column, since that is what he claims he understood the bet to be. In my opinion, it would make sense for it to be a push if the final total is in the grey area between the two totals, but if he doesn't see the logic in that then I'll just hope the Sens beat them both ways.

Zeke and Player both have calculated it the same way I have all season so I expect them to stick to the original bet.
 
Wayward DP said:
This is pretty gay. Sensible (and I believe player and zeke) have all been using actual goal differential (i.e. excluding shootouts) all season throughout this thread, with nary a peep from anyone. Now all of a sudden when the Leafs are good at shootouts it's an issue?
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The original terms of the bet were clear. Surely you're not going to work under the assumption that Sensible has always blindly accepted the way Zeke crunches numbers?
 
MindzEye said:
The original terms of the bet were clear. Surely you're not going to work under the assumption that Sensible has always blindly accepted the way Zeke crunches numbers?
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No but this board is pretty consistent in it's distaste for the shootouts.

We've never given that goal for winning a shootout any credibility.

You are hanging on the letter of the law and ignoring the true nature of the bet.
 
corksens said:
Precisely - I like to think this board runs with a higher standard.
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You mean the higher standard that you guys regularly cry, bitch and moan about us using? Shit, read his post, part of my "higher standard" analysis (that has turned out to generally be bang on concerning the Sens) he called a crock of shit that I pulled from my ass. So...the higher standard is cool now? No more crying about how Zeke, Player, and myself use statistics?

We all know that the shootouts are dumb and more-or-less meaningless.
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Except Sensible, minutes prior to the bet, used the goal differential numbers that included shooutout totals.

Few, if any of us, have agreed that a team should be awarded a "goal" for winning a shootout.

The true meaning of the bet is clear - which team scores more and is scored on less in a game.
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If the true meaning of the bet was clear, why did he use NHL official goal differential?
 
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MindzEye said:
The original terms of the bet were clear. Surely you're not going to work under the assumption that Sensible has always blindly accepted the way Zeke crunches numbers?
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I was the one who first calculated it that way, not Zeke, but he agreed that I was correct when Jays objected.
 
MindzEye said:
corksens said:
Precisely - I like to think this board runs with a higher standard.



Except Sensible, minutes prior to the bet, used the goal differential numbers that included shooutout totals.



If the true meaning of the bet was clear, why did he use NHL official goal differential?
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It wasn't clear or the three other participants would not have all used a different calculation than the standings column.
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MindzEye said:
hey jackass...I found something interesting in the same thread:



Where was the only place that the Leafs and Sens were tied in goal differential last season?

That's right, in the NHL's official definition of goal differential. In this new and improved goal diff you're trying to push now, the Leafs were a +17 to the Sens +12 last season.

So you were plenty ****ing comfortable with the NHL's definition last season when it suited your purpose, and were fully aware of it.

http://www.forumice.com/showthread.php?57718-The-New-Division/page22

On almost the very same ****ing page. So why would you expect me to use some altered version of official goal differential, when you yourself used the official version during the very same argument that precipitated in the bet?

#****youpayme
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oh shit

i was totally with sensible until now

though im guessing at the end of the season it wont matter
 
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