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SENSible said:
And look what I found...back to back post on Dec 11th.



When the Leafs were still winning the bet, you commented on my post but didn't dispute the calculations.

Everyone on here knows how you will never let anything go, so you obviously had no problem with the calculations I posted.

Funny, you never disputed them at all, until it looked like you were going to lose the bet and then all of a sudden you want to add a proviso to the bet. Transparent BS
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I didn't double check your numbers until yesterday, I've repeated that 3-4 times in this thread now. I double checked, was unsure of the original language of the bet, then went back and found it. It clearly shows that you considered the NHL official definition of goal differential to be goal differential at the time we placed the bet.
 
In fact, you had plenty to say, but NOT A SIGLE WORD ABOUT HOW I HAD CALCULATED GOAL DIFFERENTIAL...
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Re: Leafs - Sens - Habs 2013-14
Originally Posted by MindzEye
The streaks are always a fluke and the slumps are always indicative of the "real Leafs"

gotcha
The numbers I posted included both slumps and streaks...I didn't cherry pick stats.

With their negative goal differential growing all the time, the Leafs record will continue to drop until it is a more accurate picture of the group.
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12-12-2013, 12:30 PM #1277
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Re: Leafs - Sens - Habs 2013-14
It's kind of true. With the drop in goaltending, comes a drop in the standings.

Ottawa has dealt with it all season - and now the Leafs are coming back to reality.
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Re: Leafs - Sens - Habs 2013-14
You just rely on incomplete data sets, no need to cherry pick at that point, right?

Goal differential is funny that way...goes up when you're streaking, and down when you're slumping. The Leafs level of play has been much higher the past 2 weeks, getting another NHL centre back within the next few weeks would give us a nicely rounded group again, and the wins will start to pile up...again.

Btw...whatever happened to the Sens being a contender if Karlsson & Spezza were both healthy?

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Re: Leafs - Sens - Habs 2013-14
Originally Posted by corksens
It's kind of true. With the drop in goaltending, comes a drop in the standings.

Ottawa has dealt with it all season - and now the Leafs are coming back to reality.
The larger drop in Leaf production has been offensively. Which of course has coincided with the Leafs missing important players more than just about any team in the league. We've seen a number of "worse case scenarios" so far this season, but here we are with the Leafs still in a playoff spot, 30 games into the season. Had we told you clowns that:

-Bolland would be out for months
-Bozak would miss significant time in the 1st half
-Clarkson would miss time and then produce **** all
-Kulemin became an even bigger offensive black hole
-Lupul would be in and out of the lineup with injury
-Smith, McClement, and Holland at centre would become a thing

The lot of you would have been predicting the Leafs in the bottom 5.

Sure, if the Leafs #2-3 centres are Smith & Holland for the rest of the season, this stretch of play might be a prelude to "reality". But none of you are saying that...to you, "reality" includes being without Bolland, Bozak, Lupul, etc, etc
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You have accepted the way I calculated goal differential right up until the bet was tied...

You constantly argue with everyone and anyone and love to get into number crunching, yet not a single word UNTIL YESTERDAY.
 
I mistakenly thought that you weren't in on any of the discussions surrounding goal differential. You KNEW how we were calculating it and failed to dispute it until yesterday when it was tied.

The offer for compromise is off the table. The definition of Goal differential is goals for minus goals against.

Currently the teams are tied at -11. Good Luck. You're going to need it.
 
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12-19-2013, 11:33 PM
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Re: Leafs - Sens - Habs 2013-14
Sensible is right.

TOR: -8
OTT: -15
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Not a word of dispute from the man with 50,000 posts and a pedantic personality...
 
Nothing I'm saying now is contradictory at all. Mindzeye pointed out just today that you yourself quoted goal differential from the NHL standings immediately prior to the bet. I feel that since you did that the context of the bet was established.
 
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Do try and keep up.
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Posts a blank quote with nothing in it and edits it after mine then tells me to keep up. What a douchebag.

We had a discussion about how goal differential was calculated and you caved once Zeke set you straight and I pointed to the nhl.com stats
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Yup, you had a shitfit about me using the wrong source for goal differential a few months after you using the exact same source.
 
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Posts a blank quote with nothing in it and edits it after mine then tells me to keep up. What a douchebag.



Yup, you had a shitfit about me using the wrong source for goal differential a few months after you using the exact same source.
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The quote wasn't blank.

You were set straight on the correct way to calculate goal differential, admitted you were wrong and then came in to this thread posting the same BS to support your buddy and take a shot at me.

Transparent.
 
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The quote wasn't blank.

You were set straight on the correct way to calculate goal differential, admitted you were wrong and then came in to this thread posting the same BS to support your buddy and take a shot at me.

Transparent.
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It absolutely was. It said legend and a post time with nothing in it.

That's why it makes a note that it was edited at the bottom...

And again, that was before Mindzeye pointed out that YOU YOURSELF USED THE SAME SOURCE just prior to the bet.
 
For clarification.

Here is the official NHL team stats page. http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?navid=nav-sts-teams#

It lists the Leafs as having scored 2.60 goals per game for 43 games...good for 112 goals for. Exactly the same as this page. http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLSAAAll&sort=avgGoalsPerGame&viewName=goalsFor

It list the Leafs as having given up 2.86 goals per game for 43 games...good for 123 goals against. Exactly the same as this page http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.ht...=avgGoalsAgainstPerGame&viewName=goalsAgainst

If you do the math they have given up .26 goals more per game...good for -11

What you won't find as an officially tracked stat is anything called goal differential on the nhl's official stats page.

If you can, then I'm all ears. Until then, the Leafs and the Sens are both at -11
 
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It absolutely was. It said legend and a post time with nothing in it.

That's why it makes a note that it was edited at the bottom...

And again, that was before Mindzeye pointed out that YOU YOURSELF USED THE SAME SOURCE just prior to the bet.
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I bolded the important part for you.

It wasn't IN the bet and mindz has had plenty of opportunities to dispute how ALL OTHER MEMBER OF THE BET were calculating it. He never said a word, until it became obvious he was likely to lose if he didn't try and find a technicality.

Transparent as the day is long.
 
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Please show me where I stated (or you stated) we'd use the NHL tie breaking column for the bet.
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Right here.

07-31-2013, 04:41 PM #435
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Default Re: The New Division
Quote Originally Posted by JaysCyYoung View Post
The increase in goals will not match the increase in goals allowed as calculated by Mindz yesterday.
Mindz "calculation" was a complete crock of shit and based on nothing but his fertile imagination.

The Sens were +12 in goal differential last year, exactly tied with the lucky Leafs and their excellent season from Reimer and unsustainable shooting %.

Care to wager on which team has the better goal differential this season?
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The bolded is based on THE NHL OFFICIAL tracking of goal differential. Which shows up on the team standings page and what ME is exactly arguing. Basically YOU USED THIS STAT WHEN YOU SET THE BET.

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Default Re: The New Division
Quote Originally Posted by JaysCyYoung View Post
I'd wager that the Leafs will probably allow more goals than the Sens but score substantially more goals.
Goal differential.

Bet or no bet, pussy?

The teams were tied last year. Which team will come out ahead this season?
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This guy said it again. Read it slowly now, just like you said, the leafs and sens were tied on goal differential last year with both having +12 which takes into account shootout goals for and against. Precisely what you are now arguing against.

However, if you use this unwritten GF / GA rule that you are currently arguing and weaseling to - the stats would indicate that the leafs FINISHED AHEAD of the sens last year (+17 versus +12).

ME wins.

Moral of the story, dont be a little ***** and weasel out of a bet that was clearly placed and dictated by your moronic self.

But then again, this is sensible we're talking about. Is anyone surprised at his despicable behavior?
 
When one has to goto such great lengths and work backwards to "show" that someone was "clear" in outlining the terms of a bet, you can damn well be sure it's not actually "clear".

Everyone knows what the bet was meant to capture.

Sensible has provided more than enough avenues to solve this problem. He's not weaseling out of anything.
 
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