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ForeverTML said:
Right here.


The bolded is based on THE NHL OFFICIAL tracking of goal differential. Which shows up on the team standings page and what ME is exactly arguing. Basically YOU USED THIS STAT WHEN YOU SET THE BET.



This guy said it again. Read it slowly now, just like you said, the leafs and sens were tied on goal differential last year with both having +12 which takes into account shootout goals for and against. Precisely what you are now arguing against.

However, if you use this unwritten GF / GA rule that you are currently arguing and weaseling to - the stats would indicate that the leafs FINISHED AHEAD of the sens last year (+17 versus +12).

ME wins.

Moral of the story, dont be a little ***** and weasel out of a bet that was clearly placed and dictated by your moronic self.

But then again, this is sensible we're talking about. Is anyone surprised at his despicable behavior?
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Take a deep breath, go back to the actual post that set the bet and show where either party stated we would calculate it based on the tie breaker column in the NHL standings.

Previous posts can imply that to be the case, but since it was not stated in the actual post setting the bet the method of calculation is open to interpretation. 3 of the 4 members of the bet have interpreted it the other way, so obviously your "sensible is a slimeball trying to weasel out of the bet" is full of shit or Zeke and Player wouldn't have viewed things the same way I did.

I do however see how ME could have been confused by the previous posts, so I offered a fair compromise. He choose to be a pedantic dick about it, so **** him. He can abide by the same interpretation as the majority and pay up if the Sens have a better goal differential as determined by reality and not a tie breaker calculation. If the leafs are ahead in reality I'll pay him, as well as Zeke and Player.

Currently the Leafs are at -13 and the Sens are at -11
 
SENSible said:
Take a deep breath, go back to the actual post that set the bet and show where either party stated we would calculate it based on the tie breaker column in the NHL standings.

Previous posts can imply that to be the case, but since it was not stated in the actual post setting the bet the method of calculation is open to interpretation. 3 of the 4 members of the bet have interpreted it the other way, so obviously your "sensible is a slimeball trying to weasel out of the bet" is full of shit or Zeke and Player wouldn't have viewed things the same way I did.

I do however see how ME could have been confused by the previous posts, so I offered a fair compromise. He choose to be a pedantic dick about it, so **** him. He can abide by the same interpretation as the majority and pay up if the Sens have a better goal differential as determined by reality and not a tie breaker calculation. If the leafs are ahead in reality I'll pay him, as well as Zeke and Player.

Currently the Leafs are at -13 and the Sens are at -11
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So what the hell happened to this?

SENSible said:
ME given that I did use that definition in my post it is fair for you to assume we were calculating it that way. I'll honour the bet on those terms. We'll go by the standings.
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Habspatrol said:
So what the hell happened to this?
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I felt bad for him. I thought he hadn't participated in the discussion on the multiple previous occasions when I posted my calculations. He was there and discussed the issue on more than one occasion, but never questioned the calculation that Zeke, Player and I were using until the day the Sens caught the Leafs. Suspicious timing to say the least.

On sober second thought, having all the pertinent information I decided to offer him a fair compromise. He choose to be a dick about it, so **** HIM.
 
You could easily make the argument that both parties are being dishonest.

Mindz is a smart enough poster around here to know what goal differential really means and know what the bet was supposed to capture - and Sensible is guilty of playing both sides of the definition but acknowledged clarification by others early enough in the season to show he's not trying to weasel an advantage today.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Mindz actually paid attention and discussed the discrepancy months ago that he would have agreed to the clarification and not worry so much about the integrity of the bet.
 
If this issue was addressed by Mindz 2.5 months ago, just as it was by Player and Zeke, do you think that he still would have been so worried about the integrity of the initial bet?
 
I also have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Mindz had asked Sensible to go by the NHL standings # before the season started, he would've agreed to go by that (the one he'd be using). He told everyone that would listen that the Sens were a lock for one of the three guaranteed playoff spots in the NE. I don't think he thought it would even be close.
 
hockeylover said:
I also have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Mindz had asked Sensible to go by the NHL standings # before the season started, he would've agreed to go by that (the one he'd be using). He told everyone that would listen that the Sens were a lock for one of the three guaranteed playoff spots in the NE. I don't think he thought it would even be close.
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Sure. Maybe thats true.

But Mindz reliance on a "bet is a bet" is weak. He undoubtedly would have agreed to that clarification previously. He won't now because it's a significant advantage.
 
hockeylover said:
I also have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if Mindz had asked Sensible to go by the NHL standings # before the season started, he would've agreed to go by that (the one he'd be using). He told everyone that would listen that the Sens were a lock for one of the three guaranteed playoff spots in the NE. I don't think he thought it would even be close.
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What I think might happen and what I'm willing to bet on are not always the same thing.
 
SENSible said:
Just like we're all shocked, positively shocked that you are taking Mindz side and trying to screw me.
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Caveat emptor.

You have a decision here to make: you can either agree to honour the original terms of the bet. Or you can be LeafNation. Which will it be?
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Caveat emptor.

You have a decision here to make: you can either agree to honour the original terms of the bet. Or you can be LeafNation. Which will it be?
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This is nowhere near the same situation.

Even Leaf fans who despise Sensible and his contribution to this board are on his "side". LeafNation lost a clear head-to-head bet and disappeared.
 
corksens said:
When one has to goto such great lengths and work backwards to "show" that someone was "clear" in outlining the terms of a bet, you can damn well be sure it's not actually "clear".

Everyone knows what the bet was meant to capture.

Sensible has provided more than enough avenues to solve this problem. He's not weaseling out of anything.
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Listen, I know you're a bit slow, but that literally took me 4 clicks to find once HL referenced which thread the bet was placed on.

And its abundantly "clear" on what the terms were and what was being referenced in terms of last year's totals.
 
corksens said:
This is nowhere near the same situation.

Even Leaf fans who despise Sensible and his contribution to this board are on his "side". LeafNation lost a clear head-to-head bet and disappeared.
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Let's not forget about Beleafer when discussing people who have failed to honour...I've already had one Leaf poster weasel out of $100, so if I seem a little touchy on this issue, you can imagine why.
 
corksens said:
This is nowhere near the same situation.

Even Leaf fans who despise Sensible and his contribution to this board are on his "side". LeafNation lost a clear head-to-head bet and disappeared.
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Three Leafs fans. Everyone else seems to agree with Mindz.
 
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