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ForeverTML said:
Listen, I know you're a bit slow, but that literally took me 4 clicks to find once HL referenced which thread the bet was placed on.

And its abundantly "clear" on what the terms were and what was being referenced in terms of last year's totals.
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If it was so clear we wouldn't have the last 10+ or however many pages of this thread, would we?
 
JaysCyYoung said:
Caveat emptor.

You have a decision here to make: you can either agree to honour the original terms of the bet. Or you can be LeafNation. Which will it be?
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Jays,

I'll honour the terms of the bet as determined by the majority of the posters involved in the bet. You have ZERO say in the matter.

3 of the 4 people in the bet are basing it on real goal differential. If I lose that bet, I'll pay. If not, they'll either pay me or join Beleafer in the ranks of Leaf posters with no honour.
 
ForeverTML said:
Listen, I know you're a bit slow, but that literally took me 4 clicks to find once HL referenced which thread the bet was placed on.

And its abundantly "clear" on what the terms were and what was being referenced in terms of last year's totals.
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Finding the posts isn't the hard part - stretching out those quotes to suggest anything was defined clearly was the point.
 
Sensible is the one who used that method to calculate goal differential when the bet was made. You can't expect ME to read your mind that you really meant that you wanted to use some other method. May not be what you wanted, but that was the bet.

Welshing on a bet is pretty low. Especially when the season isn't even over yet, and you might win.
 
corksens said:
Finding the posts isn't the hard part - stretching out those quotes to suggest anything was defined clearly was the point.
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He used a previous year's NHL tie braking goal differential stat when he was goading people into placing bets. Its very clear. No stretching.

Point to where its not clear because I am not getting where you are coming from at all.
 
ForeverTML said:
Listen, I know you're a bit slow, but that literally took me 4 clicks to find once HL referenced which thread the bet was placed on.

And its abundantly "clear" on what the terms were and what was being referenced in terms of last year's totals.
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Listen, I know you're a lot slow, but literally 3 of the 4 people in the actual bet have been interpreting it based on real goal differential and the other one only offered an alternative interpretation once the bet was turning against him and the Sens had tied it up.

Sens -11 Leafs -13.
 
leafman101 said:
Sensible is the one who used that method to calculate goal differential when the bet was made. You can't expect ME to read your mind that you really meant that you wanted to use some other method. May not be what you wanted, but that was the bet.

Welshing on a bet is pretty low.
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Please point to the part of the bet post that sets the method used to calculate.
 
SENSible said:
Please point to the part of the bet post that sets the method used to calculate.
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You said that the teams were tied last year. They were only tied under the method ME is now using. You picked the method.

I would agree that the other method is the valid one, but it isn't what you used. How could you expect ME to think the bet was using some other stat.
 
SENSible said:
Listen, I know you're a lot slow, but literally 3 of the 4 people in the actual bet have been interpreting it based on real goal differential and the other one only offered an alternative interpretation once the bet was turning against him and the Sens had tied it up.

Sens -11 Leafs -13.
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One of the biggest weasel's on this board. The posts I referenced that you posted was clear and that was before the season started. Its clear you are just plain dishonorable. If you were klingon....
 
ForeverTML said:
Thats because one side is unwilling to honor the bet and arguing against it when the writing is on the wall.
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Agreed. Mindz had nothing to say about how it was calculated on multiple occasions when the Leafs were well ahead. Once the teams started returning to reality and it became obvious he was going to lose this bet, he changed the terms. Transparent to anyone with a clue.
 
leafman101 said:
You said that the teams were tied last year. They were only tied under the method ME is now using. You picked the method.

I would agree that the other method is the valid one, but it isn't what you used. How could you expect ME to think the bet was using some other stat.
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Not in the post that set the bet champ. (If you don't write the appliances into the sale of the house, the fact that you were shown them or even talked about them in previous discussions will get you nothing but an empty space where the fridge once sat.)

I offered a fair compromise on the matter, but Mindz wanted to lawyer up and be a, in his own words, pedantic dick about the matter, so he can abide by the same terms as everyone else in the bet.

ME commented on the bet when I posted updates on multiple occasions and never once questioned how they were arrived at (even when Jays and others did question). Zeke and Player, the other two people in the bet supported my way of calculating them and again Mindz didn't dispute. He only started complaining once the Sens had overcome a massive deficit and caught the Leafs and he could see the writing on the wall.
 
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The simple fact is that there are two methods of calculating goal differential. There has to be an agreement on which method is used, otherwise there was never really an agreement on a bet. Neither one is inherently the correct one to base a bet on.

ME is simply using the method that Sensible used at the time of the bet. That was the only method this bet could have been based on.

Now maybe Sensible did not realize the stat he was using, but he sure made it seem like he did to ME. That is one of the first rules of contract. Sensible intention doesn't matter. It is what a reasonable person would believe his intention was based on his actions. He flat out used goal differential including shoot outs. There is no other way to interpret that.

Me could be a nice guy and let him out of the bet if he wants to (doesn't sound like he'd get paid if he won anyway). But the terms of the bet are what they are.
 
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SENSible said:
Agreed. Mindz had nothing to say about how it was calculated on multiple occasions when the Leafs were well ahead. Once the teams started returning to reality and it became obvious he was going to lose this bet, he changed the terms. Transparent to anyone with a clue.
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It doesn't even matter that Mindz never pointed out beforehand since you had already illustrated that you were using the terms set out by those listed in the standings.

Otherwise you wouldn't have gone by the NHL.com standings in the first place. You obviously felt that the interpretation of goal differential used by the league was acceptable, so why change that position now?
 
That's a good point. I really meant to bet on the 49'ers last week. I wonder if my bookie will pay out. Ok, I don't have a bookie.
 
leafman101 said:
The simple fact is that there are two methods of calculating goal differential. There has to be an agreement on which method is used, otherwise there was never really an agreement on a bet. Neither one is inherently the correct one to base a bet on.

ME is simply using the method that Sensible used at the time of the bet. That was the only method this bet could have been based on.

Now maybe Sensible did not realize the stat he was using, but he sure made it seem like he did to ME. That is one of the first rules of contract. Sensible intention doesn't matter. It is what a reasonable person would believe his intention was based on his actions. He flat out used goal differential including shoot outs. There is no other way to interpret that.

Me could be a nice guy and let him out of the bet if he wants to (doesn't sound like he'd get paid if he won anyway). But the terms of the bet are what they are.
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This I agree with. If this were a bet between buddies, right now you discover that your bets are based off different criteria, SENSible's compromise position of winning both ways of calculating else it's a push is a valid compromise. But it still should take 2 to tango to agree to the modification.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
It doesn't even matter that Mindz never pointed out beforehand since you had already illustrated that you were using the terms set out by those listed in the standings.

Otherwise you wouldn't have gone by the NHL.com standings in the first place. You obviously felt that the interpretation of goal differential used by the league was acceptable, so why change that position now?
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I mean its not even a technicality at this point. The definition of using the goal differential in the NHL standings was referenced in multiple "bet posts".
 
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