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Claude Julien is new coach of the Habs

worm said:
I have heard this a few times (not just from you) and would like to look more into it


do you have a spot for even strength ice time?

here is bostons TOI stuff
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/bos/cat/avgTimeOnIce
who are boston's 4th liners?

and here is the habs
http://www.espn.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/mtl/cat/avgTimeOnIce
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Bruins top-7 TOI:
- 2-of 1st/2nd year players - Carlo & Pastrnak
- 2-of young vets: Krug & Marchand
- 3-of vets: Chara, Bergeron, Krejci

So yes, I expect he will initially test (lean on) Galchenyuk, Lekhonen, Beaulieu with heavy ice time (along with Max, Radulov, Weber) & reduce Plekanec's TOI, manage Markov's TOI, if he sees issues, will work with the young players & depending on their willingness (desire) to learn will lean on them again.
 
I looked deeper in to the ice time thing. I am not seeing what some people are claiming.

Top Players (forwards)
Boston
Total
- Marchand 19:27
- Berergon 19:22
- Krejci 18:21
- Pastrnak 17:53

ES
- Pastrnak 15:16
- Krejci 15:02
- Marchand 14:58
SH
- Bergeron 2:01
- Nash 1:57
- Moore 1:53
- Marchand 1:48


PP
- Bergeron 3:04
- Krejci 2:50
- Spooner 2:41
- Marchand 2:40

Note: Chara is not really playing the PP only 28 seconds on average


Leading Scorers
- Marchand 58
- Pastrak 48
- Krejci 39
- Bereron 33

Observations
- Marchand is by far the most offensive player but he is not top minute getter in offensive opportunities

- Bergeron is a big special teams minute guy (top on both PP and PK)

- The second best scorer is not getting that much PP time comparatively.

- Even Strength minutes for 4th line forwards (forwards from 10-12 in ice time) are Moore, Czarnik, Shaller (10:10 to 10:50)


Top Players (forwards)
Montreal
Total
- Max 19:04
- Radulov 18:02
- Pleks 16:58
- Chuck 16:04


ES
- Max 15:14
- Radulov 15:06
- Pleks 13:38
- Chuck 13:36

PK
- Byron 2:20
- Pleks 2:12
- Mitchell 2:06

PP
- Radulov 2:54
- Max 2:47
- Gallager 2:29
- Chuck 2:24

Leading Scorers
- Max 50
- Radulov 42
- Danault 30
- Chuck 29 (tied with Byron)



Observations:
- The usage of the top point getter is better with the habs than bruins
- Hard to look at with injuries but 4th liners are getting the same amount of even strength times as the bruins (maybe even more)
- Chuck could use more ice time at ES but it probably has to do with the fact a bunch of centres have been used with max/rad


- Overall I see the PP time for the bruins is more concentrated but other than that I do not see a big difference in icetime of scorers or 4th liners

Note: PP and PK time per game are dependent on number of penalties and PPs each team get
 
Sal_Butera said:
Bruins top-7 TOI:
- 2-of 1st/2nd year players - Carlo & Pastrnak
- 2-of young vets: Krug & Marchand
- 3-of vets: Chara, Bergeron, Krejci

So yes, I expect he will initially test (lean on) Galchenyuk, Lekhonen, Beaulieu with heavy ice time (along with Max, Radulov, Weber) & reduce Plekanec's TOI, manage Markov's TOI, if he sees issues, will work with the young players & depending on their willingness (desire) to learn will lean on them again.
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It would be interesting to see some numbers around this. My little look at it does not show what people are saying.
I could see some of what you are saying but it is a myth that julien plays his best players more and worse players less.

Things I could see going forward based on my quick look at boston's TOI
I could see him playing Markov less (as he does Chara aka no PP time)
Pleks more - as he does PB (but he would need to get more out of pleks to keep that up)
Maybe chuck a little more
 
worm said:
I looked deeper in to the ice time thing. I am not seeing what some people are claiming.

Top Players (forwards)
Boston
Total
- Marchand 19:27
- Berergon 19:22
- Krejci 18:21
- Pastrnak 17:53

ES
- Pastrnak 15:16
- Krejci 15:02
- Marchand 14:58
SH
- Bergeron 2:01
- Nash 1:57
- Moore 1:53
- Marchand 1:48


PP
- Bergeron 3:04
- Krejci 2:50
- Spooner 2:41
- Marchand 2:40

Note: Chara is not really playing the PP only 28 seconds on average


Leading Scorers
- Marchand 58
- Pastrak 48
- Krejci 39
- Bereron 33

Observations
- Marchand is by far the most offensive player but he is not top minute getter in offensive opportunities

- Bergeron is a big special teams minute guy (top on both PP and PK)

- The second best scorer is not getting that much PP time comparatively.

- Even Strength minutes for 4th line forwards (forwards from 10-12 in ice time) are Moore, Czarnik, Shaller (10:10 to 10:50)


Top Players (forwards)
Montreal
Total
- Max 19:04
- Radulov 18:02
- Pleks 16:58
- Chuck 16:04


ES
- Max 15:14
- Radulov 15:06
- Pleks 13:38
- Chuck 13:36

PK
- Byron 2:20
- Pleks 2:12
- Mitchell 2:06

PP
- Radulov 2:54
- Max 2:47
- Gallager 2:29
- Chuck 2:24

Leading Scorers
- Max 50
- Radulov 42
- Danault 30
- Chuck 29 (tied with Byron)



Observations:
- The usage of the top point getter is better with the habs than bruins
- Hard to look at with injuries but 4th liners are getting the same amount of even strength times as the bruins (maybe even more)
- Chuck could use more ice time at ES but it probably has to do with the fact a bunch of centres have been used with max/rad


- Overall I see the PP time for the bruins is more concentrated but other than that I do not see a big difference in icetime of scorers or 4th liners

Note: PP and PK time per game are dependent on number of penalties and PPs each team get
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Looks like you put a lot of time and effort into this.

It's spelled Bergeron.
 
DonKay said:
Boston media knows that the culprit is the poor asset management that the team has had in the last few years, it's not on the coach.

That lineup is not a lineup that you can say is a sure bet for the playoffs...it's a bubble team that rightfully hovers around a wild card spot at best
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also of note is that boston and montreal were both corsi cup champs this year

keep in mind that since these stats have been around the only team out of the top 5 to win the cup was the bruins (they were 11th)
 
Hoiles said:
One thing that makes it weird is that Julien was the coach of Boston when the rivalry with them was absolute pure hatred, even more than the Neely and Kyle McLaren playoff series (too young to know the Orr and Don Cherry years).
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yep

hated him but I feel the rivalry was been meh the last few seasons (lucic gone, etc) so I have warmed up to him as he has done pretty good with a crap roster
 
Habsy said:
The timing of this move is right. Julien gets a few days to work with the team before their next game.
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to get on the same page as the other coaches will be nice though

probably get some phone calls to the players out of the way

tell max that chara did it on purpose etc
 
worm said:
feel free to use your mod powers to fix it
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Habs4Life said:
Something I really like about getting Julien is that he has been a divisional opponent. It can not be understated that Julien has had to prepare against this team MANY times. He has done his homework to research the strengths and weaknesses of the Montreal Canadiens. I think that this will really jump start his tenure here.
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if he studied our strengths and weaknesses, it didn't help him, they were basically our bitch,,,,
 
worm said:
yeeeeep

he clearly does not understand what it takes to beat montreal
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He was pretty good against 28 other teams (the bruins also suck against colorado for some reason).

Good thing he doesn't have to coach against Montreal, and we only face Colorado twice a year.
 
worm said:
also of note is that boston and montreal were both corsi cup champs this year

keep in mind that since these stats have been around the only team out of the top 5 to win the cup was the bruins (they were 11th)
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I would also add the Habs believe it or not are also deeper in talent than the Bruins overall - Julien being able to take a less talented team into having the top possession numbers is impressive...
 
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