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For Borje - The Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 Stanley Cup Champions Thread

Slinger 48 said:
In my opinion, which counts for nothing really, he's a whiney, sniveling, arrogant, selfish, weasel faced little prick.

Hell of a hockey player at times but I have never liked what I perceive to be his attitude. I've tried to like him but it doesn't work.

I've been amazed at some of the things he's done and I've been enraged at some of the things he's done.

I just don't like the little prick, I can't help it.
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We stay the course, we end up with cups like Detroit and Washington. Not everyone wins them early and often.

But surefire recipe for failure is blowing it up and starting from scratch. I’m not sure I could stomach it. Legit might be done for a long time or for good.
 
Preston said:
Yeah, cushy minutes for AM without Marner.
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Matthews: 2.99 dzs%, 17.91 nzs%, 16.42 ozs%
Marner: 2.99 dzs%, 17.91 nzs%, 17.91 ozs%

mitch with the slightly easier zone usage.


Matthews: 24:16 v Barkov, 16:42 v Bennett, 9:58 v Lundell, 5:49 v Staal
Marner: 23:12 v Barkov, 18:07 v Bennett, 7:51 v Lundell, 5:03 v Staal

Matthews: 28:24 v Forsling, 27:09 v Ekblad, 21:30 v Montour, 19:40 v Staal, 8:55 v Gudas, 6:57 v Mahura
Marner: 26:31 v Forsling, 25:01 v Ekblad, 23:16 v Montour, 21:19 v Staal, 6:34 v Gudas, 4:31 v Mahura

Matthews with more time against the toughest matchups, though more time against the easiest matchups. Probably pretty even matchups wise overall.
 
Well, they have more than the core 4 combined this series so looks like you’ve put your kerfoot in your mouth there.
 
MindzEye said:
11 career playoff goals in 130 total games. Literally a combined 82 pace of 7 goals.

Put another way, combined they average 1 goal for every 12 playoff games played. Fucking combined.

That's our offensive depth.
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I swear to fuck, it's almost like the Nerd built the rest of the roster to sabotage our best players.

82 game paces (G/PTS):

Kerfoot: 11/32 in 15+ minutes
Jarnkrok: 5/22 in 15+ minutes
Acciari: 8/12 in 13 minutes
Lafferty: 10/21 in 10 minutes
Kampf: 10/16 in 14:30
Bunting: 15/30 in 14:40

For a team that simply doesn't generate a lot of offense from the blueline as a matter of philosophy, tactics and personnel choices...that's fucking insane. The amount of heavy lifting you're asking from your top 4-5 forwards is nutty.
 
Honestly if they just replaced one of Jarnfoot with an actual quality scorer, I'd feel so much better and even be ok with their depth. They could have done that of course. Many times over. In a perfect world they would have replaced Kerf + add another guy (Bertuzzi?).. Believe they had the space to do that instead of going with 9d. It's a drag really.

To overhaul the depth with gudpros who have limited offensive upside is fine.. But in the same breath, how is Jarnfoot the cornerstone of your offensive depth? Literally the opposite of "playoff players" and neither are great scorers anyway (Jarn is nice in the season but that's a large sample of shit playoffs).
 
Preston said:
Honestly if they just replaced one of Jarnfoot with an actual quality scorer, I'd feel so much better and even be ok with their depth. They could have done that of course. Many times over. In a perfect world they would have replaced Kerf + add another guy (Bertuzzi?).. Believe they had the space to do that instead of going with 9d. It's a drag really.

To overhaul the depth with gudpros who have limited offensive upside is fine.. But in the same breath, how is Jarnfoot the cornerstone of your offensive depth? Literally the opposite of "playoff players" and neither are great scorers anyway (Jarn is nice in the season but that's a large sample of shit playoffs).
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It’s a shame absolutely nobody guessed prior to the playoffs that allocating $5.6M in cap space to Jarnfoot and relying on them to be our a huge chunk of our secondary scoring might not be a good idea.

Oh well, we’ll just have to give Dubie a big ole pass on that one.
 
Matthews + Marner + Tavares + Nylander: 0gls
O'Reilly + Bunting + Acciari + Knies: 3gls
Jarnkrok + Kerfoot + Kampf + Lafferty/ZAR + Defense: 3gls

Barkov + Tkachuk + Reinhart + Verhaeghe: 4gls
Bennett + Duclair + Luostarinen + Lundell: 3gls
Cousins + Staal + White + Dalpe + Defense: 3gls
 
Yes, I am fully aware that the big boys are why they are losing. Still feels like a wasted opportunity to not shore up the scoring depth when they obviously could have!
 
zeke said:
Matthews + Marner + Tavares + Nylander: 0gls
O'Reilly + Bunting + Acciari + Knies: 3gls
Jarnkrok + Kerfoot + Kampf + Lafferty/ZAR + Defense: 3gls

Barkov + Tkachuk + Reinhart + Verhaeghe: 4gls
Bennett + Duclair + Luostarinen + Lundell: 3gls
Cousins + Staal + White + Dalpe + Defense: 3gls
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Yes...but what if...and hang with me, I know this is wild.

But what if the bottom of our roster was....better....than the bottom of a 92 point team's roster instead of even in goals and crushed in the nerdies?
 
Also you can't convince me that Jarnofoot is a good use of cap space for a contender. Fuck them. Have 1 maybe.. And maybe that's Jarn because his AAV is fine. But fuck off with both. Kerf at that AAV is nothing but a wasted opportunity.
 
Preston said:
Also you can't convince me that Jarnofoot is a good use of cap space for a contender. Fuck them. Have 1 maybe.. And maybe that's Jarn because his AAV is fine. But fuck off with both. Kerf at that AAV is nothing but a wasted opportunity.
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Eh, even Jarnkrok, who grew on me over the season and was a good enough fill in for the top 6, has more than enough playoff track record to know that he wasn't our guy.

We didn't need a stop gap to get us through the regular season. We needed someone who was going to help carry water in the spring. The roster was built to fail at this time of the year imo and that precipitated the drastic moves at the deadline...and that's just bad team building strategy imo.
 
MindzEye said:
Eh, even Jarnkrok, who grew on me over the season and was a good enough fill in for the top 6, has more than enough playoff track record to know that he wasn't our guy.

We didn't need a stop gap to get us through the regular season. We needed someone who was going to help carry water in the spring. The roster was built to fail at this time of the year imo and that precipitated the drastic moves at the deadline...and that's just bad team building strategy imo.
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Yeah it's just weird because of the direction they took of acquiring gudpro "playoff" type guys. And then they deploy $5.6m to 2 guys who COMBINE for a career playoff pace of 7 goals per 82 games? It's bizarre. I for sure would have preferred to spend the extra 1.9m on a Nino type (could have even got him for less if they went 4 years on Nino like they did with Jarn). Not that Nino is Mr. Playoff goal scorer either, but he sure as fuck beats those 2. Most depth pieces do really.

And again, they're losing mostly because of the big boys, not Jarnfoot. But 2 things can be true. Big boys have been a catastrophe and Jarnfoot fucking SUCKS.
 
The biggest indictment on this front office and coach is their inability to develop and trust cheap AHL talent and forcing themselves into a 4 year deal for a Calle Jarnkrok and the complete erosion in the confidence and play of Lilijren which likely leads to some gross 3/10 hometown discount for Schenn.

The best teams have certain spots allocated for the best players on their AHL affiliate if for no other reason to not fuck up your cap paying for those spots.
 
Preston said:
Yeah it's just weird because of the direction they took of acquiring gudpro "playoff" type guys. And then they deploy $5.6m to 2 guys who COMBINE for a career playoff pace of 7 goals per 82 games? It's bizarre. I for sure would have preferred to spend the extra 1.9m on a Nino type (could have even got him for less if they went 4 years on Nino like they did with Jarn). Not that Nino is Mr. Playoff goal scorer either, but he sure as fuck beats those 2. Most depth pieces do really.

And again, they're losing mostly because of the big boys, not Jarnfoot. But 2 things can be true. Big boys have been a catastrophe and Jarnfoot fucking SUCKS.
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Yeah, I would have preferred taking the mystery box to running with Kerfkrok. We could have gotten an asset in return for Kerfoot, he's not valueless, he's just not what we need. There were a handful of interesting UFA's last summer that went for dirt cheap that we could have looked at alongside our kids. Milano, Bjugstad, Sprong off the top of my head. We didn't need known playoff no-shows
 
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