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Four Nations

Pwner said:
Wow, just WOW. True I am taking a piss on our Shatkins-Truthers/ Make Blue Jays Great Again crew today (90% of people on this board) but holy hell.

Ok here are some questions and some points to consider:

  • How old is the Earth?
  • How old is the Universe?
  • How many people wrote the Tanakh? All at the same time or at different times?
  • Was the G-D of the Tanakh always loving? That G-D certainly killed a lot of people back then, one can almost make an argument that G-D was pretty vengeful to the Egyptians.
  • When did us Earthlings start to understand/create a One G-D approach?
  • Why/How did this theology come about?
  • What happened to Archegosaurus and did humans live side-by-side with them?
  • Can you give me a Steelman argument for Evolution?
  • G-D did create unisex creatures, I think Earth Worms are unisex.
  • So let me give you a quick layman's view on how I, Pwner, came to be. My parents wanted a kid so they had sex, which means that my Dad gave his DNA in the form of Sperm to my Mom in her birthing canal so that it could make its way to her egg (DNA) so that that egg could get fertilized and start the process of expanding/multiplying/cloning itself (the cells). Now this process is not always perfect. There are sometimes errors in the "cloning" process. For whatever reason, they don't make perfect copies. We call these not-perfect "copies" mutations (or just getting old). Now these mutations are mostly bad news: cleft feet, lips, intellectual difficulties, lungs growing outside the body. But now and then (maybe like 1% overall) these "mutations" can be helpful: a bigger brain, better eyesight, opposable thumbs that make succeeding in your current location easier. Those creatures with these helpful "mutations" have a higher probability of living and passing on their genetics to the next generation. We call this "Natural Selection".
  • Because there is more variation of that species/offspring, it makes it easier to survive multiple different scenarios that species might encounter. Like rain that lasts 100 years or snow that now falls when it never did before. More variation = a better chance of survival.
  • Jewish IQ is a very good example of Natural Selection/Evolution in practice. Jews historically keep/were forced into small communities and didn't intend to interbreed much with the outside world (they did, and got raped a lot in the multiple pogroms and crusades throughout the years, that is why Palestinians always ask for DNA tests for Israelis because they think people "chose" being Jewish), Jewish culture prized being "learned", high status was afforded to people that could read that Tanakh and discuss/debate it with others. Rabbi means Teacher. Rabbis were the center of their society and were given High Status so they became more desirable. Hense, Jews having high IQ.
  • Did you ever think that it is a much more interesting and unlikely story of how we came to be than just an all-knowing G-D hocus-pocusing us into existence? It took 13. something (they don't know and that is a problem in the scientific community) billion years for me to write this out to you. Think of all the steps that had to go "right" or go very "wrong" for other species for this to happen. That is a lot more magical than a G-D poofing us into reality.
Also, watch this video. It is great and done with humility.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvK_Onjzj9I
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Sigh...lucky I'm retired:

1. Irrelevant (but I tend to believe its older than 6K years)
2. Irrelevant (Why do I get the feeling that when God did create light HE gave it an instantaneous speed (so that we'd be able to see all of it) and eventually dialed the speed back to more or less what we have now?
3. Moses wrote The Torah. Not sure how many wrote The Writings/Prophets. Most of the Psalms attributed to David. Proverbs/Ecclesiastes attributed to Solomon. Can that be proven conclusively...no. Over a time period for sure.
4. Of course, we are His creation. Can't argue with the amount of killing. It will be explained soon enough. And Egypt did enslave these people for 400 yrs. But then again, God did harden Pharoah's heart to prolong their suffering.
5. I guess you'd have to go with the Exodus and Sinai. Where a national revelation was given.
6. The Torah explains that. Adam/Eve/Noah/Abraham/Issac/Jacob....
7. Clearly they lived and I do not have an answer. I have a hard time believing that they were around at the time of Adam/Eve. But again, hopefully those answers will be coming soon.
8. That would take a long time. No missing link. Again, why evolve 2 sexes when a single gender able to self procreate would make more sense. Not here to write a book.
9. Not sure but God loves variety.
10. Some might call it a "one of" or a "gift" why isn't it carried forward for all generations?
11. Mutation and variation are 2 completely different things. Mutations are not good. Variations are a natural thing. Like the moth issue with the industrial revolution.
12. That certainly plays into it. But personally I think it goes beyond that. Hard thing to prove conclusively. But history does favor a genetically higher IQ.
13. Did HE just "poof" us into existence or did HE take 50 billion or 100 trillion years to get this all set up? Who knows? Questions that will be answered soon enough. Life is short.

Its not an uncommon notion that the first line in The Bible "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" is a complete creation by itself (one can assume that the dinosaurs were part of this creation and a necessary part for when man inhabits the Earth re: fossil fuels). Then the next line "now the Earth was void and darkness was upon the face of the deep" could be the result of a cataclysmic event that wipe out the dinosaurs? Who knows?

Its also interesting that until after the flood we were all vegetarians. It was at that point that God gave us animals for food.
 
zeke said:
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At the risk of belittling...its a true story.
 
Pwner said:
Oh shit I forgot another question:

  • How fast does light travel? Does it have different speeds in the Universe or is it the same speed everywhere?
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Interesting, I just mentioned that in another post.

It would not surprise me if initially the speed of light was instantaneous so that we could see all of the universe. Eventually God dialed it back to the 186,000 miles per sec (more or less) that we have today. Total speculation but helps solve a few issues.
 
GeneralT001 said:
Interesting, I just mentioned that in another post.

It would not surprise me if initially the speed of light was instantaneous so that we could see all of the universe. Eventually God dialed it back to the 186,000 miles per sec (more or less) that we have today. Total speculation but helps solve a few issues.
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So God, who is all powerful and omnipotent, didn't get it right the first time?
Habsy said:
I spoke with him this morning. He's doing well.
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You saw him I'm the bathroom mirror, didn't you?
 
zeke said:
whatever your religion you're espousing here.

Where god is about to usher in the end days and judge all us evildoers.
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I cant wait for Him to show up because I have questions and He is I suppose, the manager to whom I need to speak.

Right now, my Yelp review of God is 1 star: would not recommend.
 
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