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GDT #27: 2023/12/14 - Laine Revenge Game

Anyways somehow the jackets SNIPED TOP CHEDDAR on, what, 5 of their goals?

Sammy is like OT JT.

also, what a skater werenski is. Wonder if there’s a way to pry him loose. Not great defensively but this team is at its best when rielly is puckhounding and jumping up, and werenski would give then 2 of those n
 
Yup, of course I'd include speed as skill. But I do think the increased number of "events" make it less random over the long-haul. Not too dissimilar to basketball vs hockey, for example.

And of course there's more to it than "good at 5 on 5 = good at 3 on 3." There's a particularly unique skillset required for 3 on 3. It's a different game really. Any sort of randomness you may see may come from not practicing 3 on 3 enough or just not being as familiar with it as 5 on 5 so more unforced errors are made.. Though it has become more structured in recent years. And as a whole, the increased number events will obviously lead to more predictable results on a longer term timeframe and less parity than we see at 5 on 5 over the same sample.
 
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Who's laughing at my Sammy for Vladar package deal now?

Sammy, Brodie, Holmberg and a 3rd for Tanev, Lindholm, pospisal and Vladar

Although I heard lebrun today said today thst Tanev seems to get hurt a bit because despite his size and weight, he plays like a lighter player. I did not like the sounds of that


Be honest—the only reason you love Vladar is because “Dan Vladar” sounds hilariously similar to “Darth Vader”.

Because it sure as fuck can’t be for his hockey-playing abilities. The guy’s been Toskalesque for pretty much the entirety of his NHL career and he’s worse than ever this year.
 
…and yeah, if it isn’t time to free the Hildebeast already, it should be soon.

I’ve been one of the more patient people with Sammy and I’ve been operating under the assumption that he’s gonna turn it around. But he’s running out of runway pretty quick here.
 
…and yeah, if it isn’t time to free the Hildebeast already, it should be soon.

I’ve been one of the more patient people with Sammy and I’ve been operating under the assumption that he’s gonna turn it around. But he’s running out of runway pretty quick here.
They really gave their other guys all the opportunity in the world to be the Marlies starter and AHL #1 both in preseason and at the beginning of this year. They seem very intent on not rushing him. But I'm not sure they have much choice at this point. Martin Jones and the .880 version of Samsonov isn't gonna cut it while Woll is out.
 
I think the format lends itself even more to speed than skill. Which is why willy and even domi are good 3 on 3, Matthews and Marner (both good skaters but they like to slow the game down with the puck) just ok JT DOODOO

Which does make it a bit random even over bigger samples

Yeah, and to your Werenski point, I think only having one good skating, playmaking D hurts big time in 3 v 3.
 
Yup, of course I'd include speed as skill. But I do think the increased number of "events" make it less random over the long-haul. Not too dissimilar to basketball vs hockey, for example.

Probably true, but over the last 5 years the Leafs have played 188 mins 3v3. Reaves has played 154 so far this year.

Its never going to be a large sample.
 
Speaking of elite skating D though, Rielly's ankle breaking direction change behind the Leafs net before the 5th goal was unreal.
 
They really gave their other guys all the opportunity in the world to be the Marlies starter and AHL #1 both in preseason and at the beginning of this year. They seem very intent on not rushing him. But I'm not sure they have much choice at this point. Martin Jones and the .880 version of Samsonov isn't gonna cut it while Woll is out.


Yeah, in an ideal world, considering Hildeby is only 22 and this is first year in North America, you just leave him in the AHL for the full year and let him marinate.

But we do not live in an ideal world.
 
3v3 OT History

TBL 55-33 .625
VGK 42-28 .600
LAK 57-44 .564
NJD 51-40 .560
PIT 57-47 .548
FLA 49-40 .551
EDM 48-40 .546
WPG 45-38 .542
BOS 52-45 .536
CGY 50-44 .532
STL 53-47 .530
CBJ 57-52 .523
OTT 44-41 .518
WSH 49-47 .510
CHI 60-58 .509
NYI 46-46 .500
VAN 46-46 .500
PHI 51-53 .490
SEA 12-13 .480
DAL 51-56 .477
NYR 38-42 .475
TOR 48-54 .471
NSH 41-46 .471
COL 41-46 .471
SJS 44-50 .468
CAR 50-57 .467
MIN 38-46 .452
BUF 42-51 .452
MTL 44-55 .444
ARZ 37-50 .425
DET 44-64 .407
ANA 40-63 .388



last 3yrs

NJD 19-8 .704
BOS 18-9 .667
FLA 19-10 .655
MIN 16-10 .615
WPG 16-10 .615
COL 15-10 .600
NSH 16-11 .593
TBL 17-12 .589
CAR 18-13 .581
VGK 15-13 .536
CBJ 18-16 .529
EDM 12-11 .522
VAN 14-13 .519
BUF 14-14 .500
STL 12-12 .500
DAL 16-17 .485
PIT 15-16 .484
CHI 14-15 .483
SEA 12-13 .480
NYR 12-13 .480
OTT 11-12 .478
MTL 12-14 .462
ANA 15-18 .455
TOR 16-20 .444
ARZ 12-27 .444
DET 14-18 .438
SJS 14-20 .412
NYI 9-13 .409
WSH 11-17 .393
LAK 10-16 .385
CGY 12-22 .353
PHI 9-22 .290



We are definitely pretty terrible at it tho.
 
Yeah, and to your Werenski point, I think only having one good skating, playmaking D hurts big time in 3 v 3.
Yup, that’s why I’d honestly rather have three forwards out when Rielly is off.

Werenski is very enticing but not the most durable. I shy away from guys like that.
 
He’s so bad with the puck. Clunky as fuck.
If the NHL was a 3 on 3 league, many guys would not be NHLers. He would be one of them. The 3 on 3 talent discrepancy is far wider than what you'd see for 5 on 5 largely because teams obviously build their teams for 5 on 5!
 
much more mobile than Muzz tho.

he's been near a 30pt pace this year and last year, with no PP production. That's valuable blueline offense that we need.


Lilly is usually the 2nd dman out in OT tho.
 
We are definitely pretty terrible at it tho.

GF%/xG% by total 3v3 ice time the last 3 seasons:

Auston: 41%/54%
Rielly: 29%/41%
Willy: 60%/52%
Mitch: 42%/48%
Brodie: 60%/60%
Tavares: 38%/45%

Everyone else currently on the roster has played such a small amount of total 3v3 ice it's not worth including GF% imo

xG%

Lilly: 84%
McCabe: 35%
Kampf: 0% (lol)
Jarnkrok: 37%

Some takeaways:

- It's easy to look at Auston and say he's been unlucky but having seen pretty much every 3v3 shift he's ever taken I see a commonality in how it all breaks down. Auston-Mitch get a 2 on 1. The entire universe knows Auston is going to shoot, and based on how the defenders usually cover it, I think the plan is to let him. You've still got a ~80% chance of getting a save there, even on Auston where as the pass across is almost the inverse, it's a tap in if it's on the stick. Mitch sells the fuck out as the "decoy" and ends up deep for some reason...every fucking time, and if Auston doesn't score (usually), they're chasing the play the other way with Rielly as the defender, which is setting up Morgan Rielly to fucking fail, it's easily the thing he's worst at. Goal. Game over. I would really like to see Auston-Willy as the main duo, with the plan being putting the puck on Willy's stick immediately in that 2-1 transition when we get it. Willy is pretty much equal parts threat to shoot if it's there or pass across for an Auston tap in. Way harder to defend. But put Brodie with them, not Rielly. They don't need Rielly and Brodie is much better at covering for them if they sell out for the goal opportunity.

- We should probably cycle through running mates for Mitch on the 2nd pairing. Jarnkrok, Robertson, Knies, Domi whoever that can skate. Mitch is better Mitch when he's not deferring to Auston imo and is himself looking to score. Give this group Lilly, who does a bit of everything well.

- Mo shouldn't see much 3v3 ice, neither should Tavares unless it's defensive zone type work with someone like Jarnkrok as an emergency duo.
 
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