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GDT #44 - 2024/01/20 - poor nucks fans

Preston said:
No knock on Knies as a prospect but Nicky has been far more impressive for me. Keefe's talent evaluations has completely turned to mush this year. I swear it was never this bad.
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Has he ever had this many young players at once to misevaluate? i mean Knies just got here and Robertson was always hurt.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Eh, blue line and goaltending is not great regardless if optimized properly.
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I mean, maybe but who the fuck knows until you play it properly. Trying to shoe horn Rielly into a shut down type role with Brodie, even while Brodie has been horrific for most of the season is firing worthy on it's own.

Nobody is going to blame you for your team not playing well when you've tried everything and nothing has worked. I've still never seen him use McCabe-Lilly as a shutty pair. Is it ideal? Fuck no. Is it better than this version of Brodie and Mo? 1000% Then give Mo Timmins and let them dominate possession, score a bunch of goals and give up a 2-0 once every few games. Mo doesn't need a babysitter if he's getting secondary matchups. Then throw whoever you want that night of Benoit/Brodie/Gio out there for 15 minutes.

The worst thing you can do when something clearly isn't working is keep jamming it in a position to continue failing.
 
MindzEye said:
I mean, maybe but who the fuck knows until you play it properly. Trying to shoe horn Rielly into a shut down type role with Brodie, even while Brodie has been horrific for most of the season is firing worthy on it's own.

Nobody is going to blame you for your team not playing well when you've tried everything and nothing has worked. I've still never seen him use McCabe-Lilly as a shutty pair. Is it ideal? Fuck no. Is it better than this version of Brodie and Mo? 1000% Then give Mo Timmins and let them dominate possession, score a bunch of goals and give up a 2-0 once every few games. Mo doesn't need a babysitter if he's getting secondary matchups. Then throw whoever you want that night of Benoit/Brodie/Gio out there for 15 minutes.

The worst thing you can do when something clearly isn't working is keep jamming it in a position to continue failing.
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Oh 1000%

Fire Keefe, insert someone to be less dumb and see what you have.

Im not optimistic it's a contender, but at minimum you find out what you really need, if that need exists and if not, can make an informed decision about the direction at the deadline.

If you keep Keefe its going to at best stay the same, at worse, get worse, and he'll ask for what he thinks a reliable defender is
 
It's impossible for...

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares
Bertuzzi
Knies
Robertson
Domi
Jarnkrok
Holmberg

Rielly
Lilly
McCabe
Brodie
Gio
Benoit

...to not be a contender. Literally impossible.

They're weak on D and have to have Woll step right back in and be a great goalie.

G gets addressed when Woll returns, and they have plenty of trade capital to add a big first pair guy on D that would push everyone back and delete the weakest dman.

Plus they have cheap young talent like Minten and Cowan who could step in and contribute.

A Lindholm and Hanifin/Tanev trade also cures all ails. But they have to dump this coach who is way past his time here.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
It's impossible for...

Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares
Bertuzzi
Knies
Robertson
Domi
Jarnkrok
Holmberg

Rielly
Lilly
McCabe
Brodie
Gio
Benoit

...to not be a contender. Literally impossible.

They're weak on D and have to have Woll step right back in and be a great goalie.

G gets addressed when Woll returns, and they have plenty of trade capital to add a big first pair guy on D that would push everyone back and delete the weakest dman.

Plus they have cheap young talent like Minten and Cowan who could step in and contribute.

A Lindholm and Hanifin/Tanev trade also cures all ails. But they have to dump this coach who is way past his time here.
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Narrator- It was possible.
 
It's not. Keefe is basically drunk driving at this point, and Tre needs to step up and show that he's actually on top of shit and not some ghost.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
It's not. Keefe is basically drunk driving at this point, and Tre needs to step up and show that he's actually on top of shit and not some ghost.
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No one here thinks Keefe isnt a massive problem, but he's far from the only one.

Too many holes on the backend, too many guys seemingly turning to dust from their norms, and honestly, the only reason to believe in Woll as some sort of savior is because every other alternative is very grim.
 
CH1 said:
It’s a long season. Not that long ago, almost everyone was laughing at the Oiler’s apparent demise
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I wasn't! They got crushed by shit goaltending but were generally crushing the nerdies. Leafs have been mediocre on the nerdies all season. It's their worst year since the bubble season.


Maybe there was something to Kyle's obsession with vanilla, good defensive forwards. It's not just the d that have sucked defensively.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
No one here thinks Keefe isnt a massive problem, but he's far from the only one.

Too many holes on the backend, too many guys seemingly turning to dust from their norms, and honestly, the only reason to believe in Woll as some sort of savior is because every other alternative is very grim.
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So say a Lindholm/Hanifin trade gets done, you still see any holes?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
So say a Lindholm/Hanifin trade gets done, you still see any holes?
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Um assuming you dont get both, then, whichever the other one isn't acquired?

Also, goaltending, and it's possible you need 2 D, but moreover, what do you expect Lindholm/Hanifin will cost? Like, im assuming it takes one of Minten/Cowen, Robertson and a 1st? Something in that range. Is that a price you think this team should pay for a rental?
 
Preston said:
Quantity vs quality on d is the classic mistake. They need quality. Just one guy changes everything. Oilers went from a damn good team to serious contenders overnight with Ekholm while everyone was kicking and screaming about them needing multiple d.
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Fair
 
Preston said:
Quantity vs quality on d is the classic mistake. They need quality. Just one guy changes everything. Oilers went from a damn good team to serious contenders overnight with Ekholm while everyone was kicking and screaming about them needing multiple d.
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I thought for last couple of years Leafs had real good depth on D, but rather "Meh" top 4. Now they have neither.
 
Preston said:
No knock on Knies as a prospect but Nicky has been far more impressive for me. Keefe's talent evaluations have completely turned to mush this year. I swear it was never this bad.
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Yeah, I guess they like knies size/speed but he’s a puck chaser defensively and his offensive game has been just ok. He’s not a guy who needs to play 82 games this year (neither is Robertson for that matter).
 
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