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Ok maybe Caufield. Maybe. Nobody else though above the third line. Even our D aside from Guhle is third pair on the Leafs.

The point is relativity.
 
Habsy said:
Lemaire literally changed the defensive game for forwards and was a much higher ppg than Keon and shut down opposing top centers and won 8 cups.Your argument is laughable.
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"much higher ppg"

fucking lol. Spent his entire prime in an era where elite players were scoring 130-150 points a season and only played from 22-33 yrs old. Keon in an era where 90 points won you the scoring title more or less every year.

Your over rating of his defensive game is pretty fucking wild here, "changed the game". lol, fuck off. Nobody outside of Montreal thinks of his defensive game that way. He was good defensively, very good even but this mystical level of bullshit you're pulling out? Lol

Fucking Kevin Lowe effect, in full effect.
 
Talk about giving no respect.

When a player is higher than Keon its because of someone else and when he's also a literal defensive legend he gets what? This drivel?

Your teams history is so sad that you just have to fight for the scraps I guess.
 
Habsy said:
Hard when you don't have ammo I know.
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I have all the ammo I need. Davey Keon bent Jean Beliveau over, in his prime, and jacked a bunch of cups from him. Something that none of these secondary goof balls you want to mention would have been remotely capable of. Mr Jean Beliveau, maybe the most beloved Hab of all time, dad dicked in the middle of his prime.
 
Habsy said:
Ok maybe Caufield. Maybe. Nobody else though above the third line. Even our D aside from Guhle is third pair on the Leafs.

The point is relativity.
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Sometimes players thrive in an environment that you least expect. Buntings’ grit got him on the Leafs first line. Just as an example. Any gritty skilled Hab would thrive on Marners line.
 
Oh really? So why didn't his awesomeness continue? This is truly sad. Your top guy compares to second tier Habs alums.
 
thehabhater said:
Sometimes players thrive in an environment that you least expect. Buntings’ grit got him on the Leafs first line. Just as an example. Any gritty skilled Hab would thrive on Marners line.
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I actually like Bunting. That was found money by Dubas. Like his game, he's an agitator that can score.
 
Habsy said:
Oh really? So why didn't his awesomeness continue?
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Team got old, he got old.

Which as far as I'm aware, happens from time to time. In his prime, he dad dicked the guy who I've been told is the 2nd best Hab of all time.
 
Habsy said:
Oh really? So why didn't his awesomeness continue? This is truly sad. Your top guy compares to second tier Habs alums.
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The 1967 expansion draft. Montreal had a genius GM. Leafs had a GM with a financial stake in their farm club. The draft killed the Leafs
 
MindzEye said:
Team got old, he got old.

Which as far as I'm aware, happens from time to time. In his prime, he dad dicked the guy who I've been told is the 2nd best Hab of all time.
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How old was Beliveau in relation to Keon during this ownage? I mean you know, since you're going with the got old thing?
 
Yeah, I'm not going to defend how the club was managed post expansion, fuck that.

But Keon was a motherfucker to play against, full stop. lol at all of these 2nd line centres for Montreal being better than him when Keon out dueled Beliveau head to head in their careers.
 
thehabhater said:
The 1967 expansion draft. Montreal had a genius GM. Leafs had a GM with a financial stake in their farm club. The draft killed the Leafs
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Look mate, you started this and actually used a Leaf I respected in Keon but it's a little ridiculous thinking he's better than other players from the same era and the sheer disrespect towards Lemaire is insane. Anyone who really saw that guy play knows he was a well rounded hockey stud. His numbers back that up too.

I threw Gainey at you on the defensive side of things. On a balanced player, which is what I consider "complete" there no arguing Lemaire. It's mind numbingly stupid and may force me to drink.
 
Habsy said:
How old was Beliveau in relation to Keon during this ownage? I mean you know, since you're going with the got old thing?
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Are you really going to make the argument that Beliveau was an old man over the years that he won a Hart and finished 2nd for the Hart 3 more times, are you?

I'm not claiming that Keon was better than Beliveau, what I'm saying is that he did something to Beliveau that none of these 2C goofballs that played behind him could have. He beat Beliveau head to head and was the best player on the team that created the long cup drought of Beliveau's ridiculous career.

Respeck.
His Name.
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, I'm not going to defend how the club was managed post expansion, fuck that.

But Keon was a motherfucker to play against, full stop. lol at all of these 2nd line centres for Montreal being better than him when Keon out dueled Beliveau head to head in their careers.
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Yes. He was. He wasn't the only one and wasn't the best at it.

He's not mentioned nearly as much as guys like Gainey, Datsyuk, Clarke etc.

I'm sorry to say man that he was good but wasn't better than some of these others.
 
MindzEye said:
Are you really going to make the argument that Beliveau was an old man over the years that he won a Hart and finished 2nd for the Hart 3 more times, are you?

I'm not claiming that Keon was better than Beliveau, what I'm saying is that he did something to Beliveau that none of these 2C goofballs that played behind him could have. He beat Beliveau head to head and was the best player on the team that created the long cup drought of Beliveau's ridiculous career.

Respeck.
His Name.
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I do. It's you that lacks respect.

Lemaire > Keon and it's not really a discussion.
 
Habsy said:
Look mate, you started this and actually used a Leaf I respected in Keon but it's a little ridiculous thinking he's better than other players from the same era and the sheer disrespect towards Lemaire is insane. Anyone who really saw that guy play knows he was a well rounded hockey stud. His numbers back that up too.

I threw Gainey at you on the defensive side of things. On a balanced player, which is what I consider "complete" they’re no arguing Lemaire. It's mind numbingly stupid and may force me to drink.
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I said that Keon was the best Leaf, I never said that he was better than the best players of his era.

Look it up.
 
Keon was definitely the best defensive/ 2 way centre of his era, full stop. How he ranks against other great defensive forwards of all time, hard to say. Pre/Post expansion are two different universes.
 
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